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um this episode skeptico I keep asking

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the same question

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does your spiritually transformative

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experience matter well does it Jody

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Foster wait a minute let me get this

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straight you admit that you have

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absolutely no physical evidence to back

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up your story yes you admit that you

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very well may have hallucinated this

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whole thing yes you admit that if you

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were in our position you would respond

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with exactly the same degree of

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incredulity and skepticism

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yes then why don't you simply withdraw

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your testimony and concede that this

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Journey to the Center of the Galaxy in

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fact never took place

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I can't prove I can't even explain it

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but everything that I know is a human

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being everything that I am tells me that

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okay well does it Dr Yvonne Cason this

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is what I'm getting to is that I don't

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want to hear about the different kinds

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of near-death experiences what I want to

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know is what is going on in these

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extended Realms how are we supposed to

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understand them and how are we supposed

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to understand the information that's

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coming back from these extended Realms

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I'm offering a vocabulary as a starting

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point I'm not saying it's the be-all and

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the end-all it's just as I started as a

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young doctor because I started having as

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you mentioned my first ndes started when

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I was five one when I was 11. you know I

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started having out of body experiences I

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started seeing spirits and ghosts when I

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was a child after my near-death

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experience which we now know is a common

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after effect and then my Kundalini

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experience I now have words that I can

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use

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to describe these and you at least have

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an idea even if we don't know what it is

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or what causes it or we can argue how we

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interpret it at least we now have a

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vocabulary that we can communicate about

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it that first clip was from Believe It

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or Not way back in 1997 the movie

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contact it was Jody Foster starring that

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one and the second clip was from today's

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guest Dr Von Cason I know there are a

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lot of people who are really going to

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not like this interview in a number of

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ways particularly since I push on Dr

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Yvonne Cason very hard at times but how

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else are we going to get to the next

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level of this stuff we can't just keep

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talking about the love and light of the

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spiritually transformative experience

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without wondering

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whether there's another side

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hope you enjoy the interview super

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intelligent super well informed and

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qualified and accomplished person who I

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hold in very very high regard and I'm

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very appreciative for being on the show

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welcome to skeptico where we explore

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controversial science and spirituality

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I'm joined today by Dr Yvonne Cason

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author of Soul lessons from the light

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which you either just heard about or

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when we paste her clip in and the

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subtitle is how spiritually

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transformative experiences changed my

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life and the other book that we will

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talk about is Touched By the Light

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because Dr Cason is really

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one of the if not the first person to

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kind of coin put a label on this term

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spiritually transformative experiences

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and in that book she outlines a number

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of different ones of them and although I

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have not read that book I'm definitely

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familiar with that material and with her

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material and she's been on the show

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we're kind of old friends known each

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other for a while she's been over to my

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house we did some filming which never

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made it on the air but that's okay and

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it's very cool that she contacted me

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about this new book and that we're able

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to reconnect so Dr K Sun welcome thank

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you for joining me thank you for having

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me back I'm really glad to reconnect too

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so as people are going to hear you've

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lived quite an amazing life amazing life

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as this book sold lessons from the light

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really kind of lays out Toronto position

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like a real doctor doctor you know not a

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fake doctor and someone who gets

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interested in yoga and meditation at an

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early age and I love this part of the

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story you know at 23 years old you're

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there in yoga meditation class and

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you're going hey I think it just

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happened here guys and I say guys

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because like all the guys are like nah

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nah that couldn't happen we've been

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sitting here for 10 years we never got

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anything like that and you're like no I

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think it you were even you know again

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you're a woman and kind of in a man's

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world that's like so you don't want to

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assert it too far and say well I think

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you know so you gotta sit on it for a

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while and then you go yes I did have a

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samadhi experience an Awakening

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experience whatever we're going to call

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that but then you know as we get more

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into your story and I want to recap this

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because I do have a lot of questions

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that I want to ask beyond the book I

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really don't want to do a book interview

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people can go read the book people can

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go listen to other interviews with you

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where you talk about the book we're

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going to take it in some different

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directions but your story is really

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important because

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you know when you tell somebody

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Evan that you've had five near-death

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experiences

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people are immediately skeptical they

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are uh-huh

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one of the great things about the book

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is it really kind of demystifies that in

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a number of ways but one in a very kind

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of plain way it's like hey my first

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near-death experience was I was just a

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little kid goofing around in the train

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and I went under there and almost got

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hit by a train and somebody pulled me

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out at the last second and you go well

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that could happen you know I have kids

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or myself I you know I could see that

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horrible car accident where almost her

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whole family dies and you're left at the

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scene they don't even know that you're

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there and you people go well I yeah I

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get it that could happen especially she

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wasn't even driving the whole thing

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opening her responsibility at 11 years

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old and then you're in a plane crash and

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you're in a lake and you almost uh

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drowned in a freezing water and again

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every time I've been on a plane

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especially a small plane you're like

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what the thing goes down oh not good

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drought well it happened to Yvonne and

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fall accident is again so I I guess the

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interesting the life you've lived and

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what's come with these experiences is

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probably quite unusual very unusual

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because you've lived this life of

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spiritual transformation spiritual

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growth spiritual seeking and a lot of

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experiences that go with that so I I

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just wanted to sketch that out and I

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want you to pick it up and and kind of

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fill in how this whole life has unfolded

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summarized it great Alex and I'm really

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happy that you had a chance to read the

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book because because it just felt

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practice of medicine and so because of

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that as you mentioned I'm a medical

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doctor I used to teach and practice at

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the University of Toronto for many years

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I was on faculty there and so I was

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always a little bit guarded in how much

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of my personal story I would share

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because I was concerned about my medical

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license I didn't want it to come back on

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me and that I'd end up losing my medical

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license because you know somebody got

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offended by something that I said and so

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Freedom it's like okay all right guys

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here's a scoop this is really what's

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been happening behind the scenes that I

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life and the other thing that's very

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exciting about my having written Soul

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lessons from the light and I'll share

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that with your listeners is that um it's

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the product of the miracle

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fifth near-death experience will start

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um happened in 2003 when I slipped on

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black ice at Niagara Falls and I hit my

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hat on rock and had a very serious

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traumatic brain injury where I died

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instantly and and I had what we now know

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near-death experiences what we can

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experience which I did because when I

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hit my head instantly I found my my my

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my my my point of perception or my soul

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it West out of my body and upwards by a

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force greater than myself you know I was

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just like passively being pulled by this

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force and I was rising up really rapidly

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through this dark expanse of space that

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space and I was rising up to this

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realm which I had seen before in my

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this time it was not the first time but

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what was different this time was

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absolutely recognized

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Yogananda and mahabashar babashi who

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were great Saints from my particular

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spiritual tradition and it was like they

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were welcoming me and explaining to me

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mentally or telepathically so that I

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would understand what was going on and

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they immensely or telepathically

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communicated to me that

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um my physical body had died that my

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work in the body of Dr Yvonne kaisan was

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finished and and there was this

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incredible feeling in the light and also

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that they were emanating of just this

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incredible love incredible Joy welcome

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the feeling was like there was a

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surprise birthday party or surprise

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graduation party being held for me you

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know and I was a guest of honor and I

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had now arrived and it was it's just

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this incredible feeling of joy and love

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and then I remember it was like my my

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ego mind was like like they show on TV a

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little devil on your shoulder whispering

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little voice on my shoulder what uh uh

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Here Comes The Life review because you

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they die actually died during their

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near-death experiences they had life

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reviews and I mean I I've always tried

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to have a good life but you know we make

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mistakes so I wasn't really looking

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forward to you know what my life Hebrew

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was going to show me it was so

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incredible what happened because the two

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Saints they can read my mind and they

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just tell looked at me and with a glance

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there was this incredible transmission

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of information and I suddenly

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understood and knew like the the the the

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the concern that the fear was just blown

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off my shoulder the little nasty voice

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was blown up like blowing off a Fleck it

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does and what I understood in that

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transmission was

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just like a loving parent when it sees

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its child who's learning something for

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example learning to to walk

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that the child is going to make mistakes

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and stumble and fall and maybe it's

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going to skin its knees or bump its head

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or fall on something and break it but

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but the loving parent understands it's

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all part of the learning process and so

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the loving parent doesn't punish the

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child for that mistake but rather

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Embraces a child and Comforts the child

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to say that's okay honey

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you can do it you can try it again you

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can do better next time and then so with

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with that sort of feeling of love and

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comfort I didn't worry about the life of

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you and then I went into feeling just

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incredible joy and love and there are

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many many things that happen on the

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other side that are very difficult to

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explain in words but I do want to

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explain a couple things and so I move on

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to answer your question about what it

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was like after about while I was

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actually on the other side I sort of

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shifted in

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my Consciousness is the best word I have

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for it or my awareness to a place or a

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state where I was no longer actually

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seeing visual images but what was

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happening was it was somehow it was like

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my Consciousness had expanded it's like

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I'd been a Pentium 2 computer

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Consciousness and now I was a Pentium

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100 Mega computer that my capacity and

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my Consciousness was vastly expanded and

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I could take in best amounts of

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information all at once like more than

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in my no now that I'm back then I could

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possibly even contain in my mind and

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suddenly in this sort of expansive state

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I re-remembered all of my past lives and

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and the feeling when I re-remembered

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them was like oh yeah

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I was like of course that's right and

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it's sort of like how how odd that I

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didn't remember them while I was

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incarnated because it was all fit you

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know it was oh yeah that was me that was

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me in the past

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and and with that there was also like an

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awful experience this is the best I I

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can describe it because suddenly my life

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incarnated as Dr Elon Cason up until

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that point made sense because before

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that time I always thought my life was a

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bit odd

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and odd in the sense of like as you

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describe like hello five near-death

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experiences Kundalini Awakening mystical

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experiences how is it on having all

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these experiences I'm just this little

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doctor in Toronto like well I saw this

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stuff happening to me

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and when I re-remembered all of my past

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lives in that expansive state of

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consciousness

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it was obvious and it was clear and it

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completely made sense because what I

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re-remembered was that this is not my

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first Incarnation where I'm having these

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sorts of experiences I've in fact had

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near-death experiences Kundalini

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Awakening mystical experiences in many

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of my past lives including my most

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recent past lives so it seemed like my

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soul from a soul level I was just sort

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of continuing on from you know what I've

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been liking recent incarnations but from

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an ego level on this Incarnation until

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that point I really didn't know like why

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is all this stuff happening to me I am a

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little a little different from what the

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average person experiences but from a

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soul level it made complete sense and

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the other thing I wanted to mention

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because I think it is it's somehow so

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significant

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that I uh was aware of while I was on

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the other side was how time passes

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differently on the other side

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that that on the other side

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there's I had this clear awareness that

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yes I understood how we went and

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coordinated in the bodies here on Earth

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we experienced time linearly right that

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there's the past is behind us the

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presence where we're at right now and

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the future is something that we haven't

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seen yet in the future

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whereas on the other side there was a

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clear awareness that time could bend

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that it could Loop

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so that you could actually

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re-enter which I think actually happened

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I think I re-entered my body

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or that I was over there much longer

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than my body was dead on Earth that when

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I was sent back it was like time bent to

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bring me back at a time that my body

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could still come back to life you know

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that I hadn't been dead too long that

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time can bend but also there's another

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interesting phenomenon

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is that on the other side it was like

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the past the present and the future were

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all perceptible

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almost like they were happening at the

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same time and and and and what it was

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like was that

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depending on where I focused my

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attention so if I focus my attention

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this way to what we on Earth perceive as

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the past that I could very clearly

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perceive the past if I chested my

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attention sort of to a different place

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in Consciousness that I would could to

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the present that I would be perceiving

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what we here on Earth perceive as the

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present and that if I shifted my

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Consciousness to what we a little

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differently I could be observing what we

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hear and the Earth perceive as a

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possible future and it it felt totally

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it made sense and it felt totally

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natural on the other side because the

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perception of time was very different

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and and the metaphor is sometimes used

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to explain this is

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um a Multiplex movie theater that most

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people have probably been to you know

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it's a movie theater and it's got like

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maybe 10 or 12 or 15 different uh little

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theaters in there that may have

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different movies playing so imagine that

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in each of the theaters you have um a

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different movie with the same actor but

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what maybe in one one movie he's a civil

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war soldier in another movie he's a

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native Indian and another movie he's a

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black African doing something another

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movie he's a Tibetan monk and all in

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different times of History so that that

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a person who doesn't understand the

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concept of a Multiplex movie theater

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would walk in there and would be

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confused and think how is it possible

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that the same actor he's been black he's

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been Asian he's a man he's a woman he's

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in all these different times of history

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at the same time time because in the con

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the multiplex They're all playing at the

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same time but we understand okay he

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filmed it at a different time but when

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we're in the multiplex we can watch them

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all at the same time so that's the best

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metaphor I've had for how time is

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perceived different on the other side we

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know that we experience it linearly but

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we can perceive it it just matters which

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of the little theaters we go into

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whether we're looking at the past the

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present or the future anyway after a

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period of what I call

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um Timeless time because time is

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experienced so different on the other

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side the two beams of light

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reappeared to me and they telepathically

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communicated to me you may now choose

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and so I have to translate you may now

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choose means you must know difference

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what they said was you made out shoes

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and the choice I was given was to

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Incarnate in the body of a baby

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and or and interesting the choice was

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and or not or and or to go back to the

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injured body

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to serve the Define

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and I was in such a state of I guess

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mystical ecstasy mystical communion

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expansion love profound trusts

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knowing on a soul level the infinite

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wisdom and loving wisdom of the plan the

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higher Powers plan

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it's like my ego mind was just

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I guess resting and it was just my heart

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or my soul that responded and

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immediately it just came out of my heart

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or my soul o Masters

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please guide me

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what is the higher choice

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I want to do God's will

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and so lovingly and so gently and how a

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thought could have that Exquisite

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sweetness and love very hard to explain

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but it is exquisitely sweet and loving

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it will be more difficult

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but to return to the injured body

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and my soul did not ask any questions I

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did not ask for any details some people

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talk about this quotes choosing that

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like they're shown all the details and

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then they choose they want to go right

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or want to go left that didn't happen to

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me at all what happened to me was yes I

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was given the choice of a baby or going

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back the injured form but I would show

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no details of that either

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situation and I didn't care it was like

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that desire to know the details that ego

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desire didn't exist in me at that time I

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was in a complete state of openness

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surrender and Trust of higher power

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and if the higher path was to return to

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the injured body my soul instantly

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accepted and then as soon as my eye

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responded I accept it was faster than

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the speed of thought that I suddenly I

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was gasping I'm I'm breathing air back

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into my previously dead body that's

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lying on the ground

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and for the first few minutes that I was

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lying there slowly starting to to

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breathe life into my body which was like

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waking up in an ice cube because I had

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died outdoors in winter in Canada

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so my body temperature dropped and I

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started to breathe I as I was breathing

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life into my my body I'm lying there on

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the ground I could see both Realms at

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the same time it was like you know a

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double exposure photo where you have you

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know two images superimposed on the

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other and that's what I could see that

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that I could see the physical world

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around me as I was regaining

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Consciousness but I could also see the

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white light round superimposed on it and

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the two beings of light standing there

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and it was it they literally had ushered

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me back into my body but it happened so

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fast like there was no sense of movement

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it was just was faster than the speed of

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thought suddenly I was back in my body

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and they were there with me and then

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they still always started fading from

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View and the white light round which was

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gone within a few minutes except for a

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tiny little spot which was my life ring

548
00:23:40,789 --> 00:23:38,520
afterwards

549
00:23:45,770 --> 00:23:40,799
and

550
00:23:48,710 --> 00:23:45,780
I came back to a seriously disabled body

551
00:23:50,510 --> 00:23:48,720
I had had a serious traumatic brain

552
00:23:53,090 --> 00:23:50,520
injury with the brain hemorrhage last to

553
00:23:55,970 --> 00:23:53,100
read the book my frontal lobes and all

554
00:23:57,890 --> 00:23:55,980
sorts of injuries in between and

555
00:24:00,649 --> 00:23:57,900
um

556
00:24:02,930 --> 00:24:00,659
it was really difficult I was told it'll

557
00:24:04,070 --> 00:24:02,940
be more difficult it was really

558
00:24:07,130 --> 00:24:04,080
difficult

559
00:24:10,430 --> 00:24:07,140
coming back as a disabled person

560
00:24:15,529 --> 00:24:10,440
so that happened November the 8th 2003

561
00:24:19,190 --> 00:24:15,539
and I tried really hard to get better to

562
00:24:22,310 --> 00:24:19,200
get back to who I was before because my

563
00:24:24,950 --> 00:24:22,320
life previous to the head injury I had

564
00:24:26,890 --> 00:24:24,960
been you know I had already had four

565
00:24:29,750 --> 00:24:26,900
previous near-death experiences

566
00:24:31,789 --> 00:24:29,760
Kundalini Awakening mystical experiences

567
00:24:33,830 --> 00:24:31,799
I'd coined the phrase spiritually

568
00:24:36,409 --> 00:24:33,840
transformative experiences I'd already

569
00:24:38,870 --> 00:24:36,419
written four books by that time and I

570
00:24:41,630 --> 00:24:38,880
was talking about it and I was

571
00:24:44,270 --> 00:24:41,640
counseling experiencers I was the first

572
00:24:46,789 --> 00:24:44,280
Canadian medical doctor to specialize in

573
00:24:48,770 --> 00:24:46,799
counseling experiencers and researching

574
00:24:50,990 --> 00:24:48,780
the whole spectrum of spiritually

575
00:24:53,330 --> 00:24:51,000
transformative experiences I loved what

576
00:24:56,330 --> 00:24:53,340
I did loved what I did

577
00:24:59,090 --> 00:24:56,340
but it became clear after the head

578
00:25:01,610 --> 00:24:59,100
injury that for whatever reason and the

579
00:25:04,789 --> 00:25:01,620
cosmic design

580
00:25:07,430 --> 00:25:04,799
that life was over you know that that

581
00:25:10,130 --> 00:25:07,440
I'd had this wonderful what I thought

582
00:25:12,230 --> 00:25:10,140
was interesting very rich and rewarding

583
00:25:14,570 --> 00:25:12,240
life before my head injury that that

584
00:25:16,190 --> 00:25:14,580
chapter was over now I was a disabled

585
00:25:19,130 --> 00:25:16,200
person

586
00:25:23,210 --> 00:25:19,140
um I went to neuro-rehabilitation for

587
00:25:26,450 --> 00:25:23,220
seven years trying to to get better and

588
00:25:29,390 --> 00:25:26,460
finally I had to you know come to a

589
00:25:31,430 --> 00:25:29,400
place of acceptance I tried to use the

590
00:25:33,529 --> 00:25:31,440
spiritual and psychological learning

591
00:25:36,169 --> 00:25:33,539
that I'd had in my life until that point

592
00:25:38,570 --> 00:25:36,179
uh and one of the principles I've always

593
00:25:40,669 --> 00:25:38,580
tried to live by is try to look at the

594
00:25:42,710 --> 00:25:40,679
cup half full rather than half empty

595
00:25:44,330 --> 00:25:42,720
always try to look at the positive and

596
00:25:46,610 --> 00:25:44,340
and

597
00:25:49,490 --> 00:25:46,620
so when it became clear that I was not

598
00:25:51,470 --> 00:25:49,500
going to be able to return to my work as

599
00:25:53,810 --> 00:25:51,480
a doctor or to writing books or the

600
00:25:55,430 --> 00:25:53,820
public speaking or or volunteering my

601
00:25:57,169 --> 00:25:55,440
son's school all these wonderful things

602
00:25:59,450 --> 00:25:57,179
I used to do

603
00:26:01,909 --> 00:25:59,460
I thought okay well what's the positive

604
00:26:04,789 --> 00:26:01,919
in this well I guess the positive is I

605
00:26:06,649 --> 00:26:04,799
don't have to go to work yes my income

606
00:26:09,529 --> 00:26:06,659
was much lower because I was living on

607
00:26:11,690 --> 00:26:09,539
disability insurance but I don't have to

608
00:26:14,510 --> 00:26:11,700
go to work in the morning so well let's

609
00:26:18,789 --> 00:26:14,520
look at it that way and so I I chose to

610
00:26:22,730 --> 00:26:18,799
frame it as early retirement rather than

611
00:26:24,769 --> 00:26:22,740
oh I'm disabled it's like okay life is

612
00:26:27,289 --> 00:26:24,779
giving me early desirement I've had

613
00:26:29,630 --> 00:26:27,299
retirement I've happened to be disabled

614
00:26:32,930 --> 00:26:29,640
I happened to only have half the normal

615
00:26:34,909 --> 00:26:32,940
person's stamina but I have half a

616
00:26:37,909 --> 00:26:34,919
person stamina so I'll do the best I can

617
00:26:41,450 --> 00:26:37,919
with that half a person stamina anyway I

618
00:26:43,610 --> 00:26:41,460
I also came to realize that I couldn't

619
00:26:46,250 --> 00:26:43,620
serve in the outer ways that I used to

620
00:26:47,750 --> 00:26:46,260
serve by helping experiencers and

621
00:26:50,029 --> 00:26:47,760
educating about spiritually

622
00:26:53,090 --> 00:26:50,039
transformative experiences

623
00:26:56,090 --> 00:26:53,100
how could I now serve and what what came

624
00:26:59,269 --> 00:26:56,100
to me was well I can serve through my

625
00:27:03,230 --> 00:26:59,279
prayers and meditation and so I'll serve

626
00:27:05,330 --> 00:27:03,240
inwardly and so I took my inner life my

627
00:27:07,370 --> 00:27:05,340
spiritual life very very serious at the

628
00:27:09,169 --> 00:27:07,380
same time as I was of course still

629
00:27:10,850 --> 00:27:09,179
trying to do all this physical stuff to

630
00:27:13,370 --> 00:27:10,860
try and get better all the neural rehab

631
00:27:15,350 --> 00:27:13,380
and cleanses and detoxes I mean I did

632
00:27:16,909 --> 00:27:15,360
everything removed my Mercury fillings

633
00:27:19,370 --> 00:27:16,919
you name it I did it to try and get

634
00:27:21,769 --> 00:27:19,380
better but it you know for whatever

635
00:27:24,950 --> 00:27:21,779
reason I remain disabled

636
00:27:26,690 --> 00:27:24,960
so I really focused on regaining my

637
00:27:28,549 --> 00:27:26,700
ability to meditate because that was one

638
00:27:30,649 --> 00:27:28,559
of the things I lost in the head injury

639
00:27:32,990 --> 00:27:30,659
frontal low brain injuries affect your

640
00:27:34,850 --> 00:27:33,000
concentration and and

641
00:27:37,010 --> 00:27:34,860
um I completely lost my ability to

642
00:27:38,990 --> 00:27:37,020
meditate and it took many many years of

643
00:27:39,769 --> 00:27:39,000
really

644
00:27:43,669 --> 00:27:39,779
um

645
00:27:47,149 --> 00:27:43,679
stubborn tenacious effort for me to

646
00:27:49,909 --> 00:27:47,159
gradually gradually gradually regain my

647
00:27:52,190 --> 00:27:49,919
ability to meditate and then my prayer

648
00:27:54,409 --> 00:27:52,200
and my meditation became like my

649
00:27:56,870 --> 00:27:54,419
spiritual anchors as I dealt with the

650
00:27:58,789 --> 00:27:56,880
physical challenges of being a disabled

651
00:28:01,490 --> 00:27:58,799
person in the world

652
00:28:06,169 --> 00:28:04,490
as I shared my book Soul lessons from

653
00:28:09,049 --> 00:28:06,179
the light

654
00:28:11,690 --> 00:28:09,059
just when you think you know you sort of

655
00:28:15,010 --> 00:28:11,700
figured out what what God's plan or the

656
00:28:17,630 --> 00:28:15,020
universe's plan is free life

657
00:28:20,510 --> 00:28:17,640
because you never know when a surprise

658
00:28:24,950 --> 00:28:20,520
is going to hit you because much to my

659
00:28:29,950 --> 00:28:24,960
surprise and since we spoke last Alex I

660
00:28:34,850 --> 00:28:29,960
had a miracle happen to me on February

661
00:28:37,610 --> 00:28:34,860
24th 2016. so this was about 12 and a

662
00:28:39,830 --> 00:28:37,620
half years after I was disabled by the

663
00:28:41,870 --> 00:28:39,840
traumatic brain injury so I and and

664
00:28:44,990 --> 00:28:41,880
medical doctors you know medical

665
00:28:46,730 --> 00:28:45,000
teaching I mean I'm a medical doctor the

666
00:28:50,029 --> 00:28:46,740
teaching is that after two years

667
00:28:51,590 --> 00:28:50,039
following a neurological injury if you

668
00:28:54,049 --> 00:28:51,600
haven't healed by then well it's

669
00:28:56,630 --> 00:28:54,059
considered chronic or permanent you know

670
00:28:57,710 --> 00:28:56,640
very rarely very rarely might be a

671
00:29:01,130 --> 00:28:57,720
little bit of improvement but it's

672
00:29:03,169 --> 00:29:01,140
considered permanent and uh this was 12

673
00:29:06,950 --> 00:29:03,179
and a half years later

674
00:29:08,690 --> 00:29:06,960
so I'm meditating uh down in Encinitas

675
00:29:12,049 --> 00:29:08,700
California at the self-realization

676
00:29:14,149 --> 00:29:12,059
fellowship retreat at a power place I

677
00:29:16,730 --> 00:29:14,159
love to meditate at Power places because

678
00:29:19,730 --> 00:29:16,740
having had five near-death experiences

679
00:29:21,529 --> 00:29:19,740
I'm very intuitive and very sensitive to

680
00:29:23,750 --> 00:29:21,539
spiritual vibrations and there's a

681
00:29:25,850 --> 00:29:23,760
strong spiritual vibration there because

682
00:29:28,610 --> 00:29:25,860
that's one of the places where parlahan

683
00:29:31,070 --> 00:29:28,620
say Yogananda the great Saint American

684
00:29:33,049 --> 00:29:31,080
Saint father of yoga where he used to

685
00:29:35,510 --> 00:29:33,059
commune with God and go into these great

686
00:29:38,630 --> 00:29:35,520
samadhi mystical experiences so there's

687
00:29:40,909 --> 00:29:38,640
a strong spiritual vibration there and I

688
00:29:42,889 --> 00:29:40,919
was meditating on the chapel that was

689
00:29:45,889 --> 00:29:42,899
built right on that spot where he had

690
00:29:49,330 --> 00:29:45,899
this samadhi experiences on February 24

691
00:29:50,930 --> 00:29:49,340
2016 and suddenly

692
00:29:53,810 --> 00:29:50,940
inwardly

693
00:29:55,250 --> 00:29:53,820
I perceived this eruption of light in

694
00:29:58,070 --> 00:29:55,260
the middle of my brain it was like

695
00:30:01,730 --> 00:29:58,080
inwardly it was like a volcano erupted

696
00:30:05,870 --> 00:30:01,740
or a fountain of liquid light suddenly

697
00:30:08,990 --> 00:30:05,880
um sprung forth and it literally it it

698
00:30:10,789 --> 00:30:09,000
inwardly the it was like an area of the

699
00:30:13,190 --> 00:30:10,799
center of my brain that had been in

700
00:30:16,070 --> 00:30:13,200
darkness for over 12 years that suddenly

701
00:30:18,529 --> 00:30:16,080
the lights came on like literally I

702
00:30:21,430 --> 00:30:18,539
could see it bright with light inwardly

703
00:30:24,590 --> 00:30:21,440
and the the subjective

704
00:30:28,789 --> 00:30:24,600
sensation was of waking up it was like

705
00:30:31,070 --> 00:30:28,799
my brain woke up after being asleep for

706
00:30:33,470 --> 00:30:31,080
12 years the the central part of my

707
00:30:36,710 --> 00:30:33,480
brain and at the same time that this

708
00:30:40,070 --> 00:30:36,720
happened there was like a flood gate

709
00:30:42,049 --> 00:30:40,080
that opened it's all these ideas that

710
00:30:43,970 --> 00:30:42,059
had been locked inside of me for the

711
00:30:47,389 --> 00:30:43,980
previous 12 years that I should be

712
00:30:48,950 --> 00:30:47,399
writing in my next books plural or just

713
00:30:51,529 --> 00:30:48,960
streaming through my Consciousness

714
00:30:54,769 --> 00:30:51,539
because I had had a little bit of a

715
00:30:57,409 --> 00:30:54,779
walked in phenomenon so

716
00:31:01,070 --> 00:30:57,419
and how my doctors explain that to me is

717
00:31:03,169 --> 00:31:01,080
that using the computer analogy uh the

718
00:31:06,529 --> 00:31:03,179
hard drive of my brain the hard drive of

719
00:31:09,110 --> 00:31:06,539
my computer so the long-term memory the

720
00:31:11,389 --> 00:31:09,120
spiritual insights the life experience

721
00:31:14,330 --> 00:31:11,399
that was all there that was all intact

722
00:31:16,010 --> 00:31:14,340
my hard drive was never injured or my

723
00:31:18,110 --> 00:31:16,020
intelligence none of that was injured

724
00:31:20,210 --> 00:31:18,120
but it was like having a computer with

725
00:31:21,710 --> 00:31:20,220
an intact hard drive where maybe the

726
00:31:25,310 --> 00:31:21,720
keyboard The Mouse and the screen

727
00:31:27,590 --> 00:31:25,320
artwork is so it doesn't matter the hard

728
00:31:29,870 --> 00:31:27,600
drive is okay because you can't use it

729
00:31:32,029 --> 00:31:29,880
you know prevent me anything because the

730
00:31:34,310 --> 00:31:32,039
keyboard The Mouse and the screen aren't

731
00:31:36,529 --> 00:31:34,320
working well it was like with that

732
00:31:39,889 --> 00:31:36,539
healing all that hard drive wanted to

733
00:31:42,529 --> 00:31:39,899
get all this stuff back and so I had a a

734
00:31:45,350 --> 00:31:42,539
very strong inner message when the

735
00:31:48,710 --> 00:31:45,360
healing happened which is pass on what

736
00:31:50,750 --> 00:31:48,720
you have learned and so uh some of my

737
00:31:53,510 --> 00:31:50,760
friends say I was offline for

738
00:31:56,090 --> 00:31:53,520
refurbishment for 12 years and so now

739
00:31:59,149 --> 00:31:56,100
it's a bond version two 2.0 that came

740
00:32:03,169 --> 00:31:59,159
out and who knows in the divine plan but

741
00:32:06,350 --> 00:32:03,179
that is what happens and and uh so I

742
00:32:08,029 --> 00:32:06,360
wrote two I've written now two new books

743
00:32:10,669 --> 00:32:08,039
that's my brain healing I just started

744
00:32:13,250 --> 00:32:10,679
writing like a like a fiend

745
00:32:15,230 --> 00:32:13,260
um ask her uh the healing and the first

746
00:32:17,630 --> 00:32:15,240
one that I wrote is Touched By the Light

747
00:32:20,870 --> 00:32:17,640
that you had mentioned earlier on which

748
00:32:23,510 --> 00:32:20,880
has like a uh it's like a summary of my

749
00:32:25,490 --> 00:32:23,520
40 Years of research into spiritually

750
00:32:27,590 --> 00:32:25,500
transformative experiences I give all

751
00:32:29,630 --> 00:32:27,600
the definitions of the different types

752
00:32:32,330 --> 00:32:29,640
of experiences that I give case examples

753
00:32:35,510 --> 00:32:32,340
for them so people will read it and go

754
00:32:37,370 --> 00:32:35,520
oh that's what that's called I had that

755
00:32:40,970 --> 00:32:37,380
experience I didn't know that was called

756
00:32:43,789 --> 00:32:40,980
a x whatever but uh so that came out in

757
00:32:45,590 --> 00:32:43,799
2019 and then the second book that I've

758
00:32:48,010 --> 00:32:45,600
just written that just came out in

759
00:32:52,190 --> 00:32:48,020
December is soul lessons from the light

760
00:32:54,049 --> 00:32:52,200
and that is my personal Spiritual

761
00:32:57,590 --> 00:32:54,059
Awakening journey and I'm really

762
00:33:00,350 --> 00:32:57,600
delighted to share it and as as you

763
00:33:03,049 --> 00:33:00,360
mentioned that that um

764
00:33:05,210 --> 00:33:03,059
I talk about all five of my near-death

765
00:33:07,250 --> 00:33:05,220
experiences my Kundalini Awakening many

766
00:33:10,010 --> 00:33:07,260
other mystical experiences past life

767
00:33:11,570 --> 00:33:10,020
recall all sorts of Clairvoyance Fair

768
00:33:13,250 --> 00:33:11,580
audience so Essentials all sorts of

769
00:33:16,730 --> 00:33:13,260
stuff that happened to me

770
00:33:19,730 --> 00:33:16,740
but you know it's I I want to say two

771
00:33:22,190 --> 00:33:19,740
things is that um

772
00:33:25,549 --> 00:33:22,200
it's really really special to me both

773
00:33:28,250 --> 00:33:25,559
the books are special to me because they

774
00:33:32,269 --> 00:33:28,260
they show people

775
00:33:34,970 --> 00:33:32,279
that Miracles can happen

776
00:33:38,269 --> 00:33:34,980
you know and I encourage people

777
00:33:40,190 --> 00:33:38,279
never give up hope you know I mean we

778
00:33:42,350 --> 00:33:40,200
have to be realistic we have to deal

779
00:33:45,669 --> 00:33:42,360
with the situation that's in front of us

780
00:33:49,450 --> 00:33:45,679
but always keep a little part of you

781
00:33:54,049 --> 00:33:49,460
don't let go of Hope completely because

782
00:33:55,850 --> 00:33:54,059
Miracles can and do happen and I am a

783
00:33:58,970 --> 00:33:55,860
living testimonial of that these two

784
00:34:01,190 --> 00:33:58,980
books are evidence that that Miracles

785
00:34:05,090 --> 00:34:01,200
can and do happen and if it could happen

786
00:34:07,669 --> 00:34:05,100
to me it could happen to you

787
00:34:09,409 --> 00:34:07,679
the the other thing that I think you

788
00:34:11,290 --> 00:34:09,419
said you know having had a life like

789
00:34:14,690 --> 00:34:11,300
this like what what what what what what

790
00:34:17,690 --> 00:34:14,700
did I learn from having had a life like

791
00:34:19,730 --> 00:34:17,700
this with all of these experiences and

792
00:34:22,190 --> 00:34:19,740
now with this most recent experience

793
00:34:24,470 --> 00:34:22,200
with being disabled and then being

794
00:34:26,629 --> 00:34:24,480
healed and having been clinically dead

795
00:34:28,550 --> 00:34:26,639
as the other ones I was close to death

796
00:34:31,310 --> 00:34:28,560
my their near-death experiences this was

797
00:34:32,629 --> 00:34:31,320
the only one where I was clinically dead

798
00:34:35,329 --> 00:34:32,639
and

799
00:34:38,270 --> 00:34:35,339
you know those are sort of my my closing

800
00:34:39,950 --> 00:34:38,280
conclusions of the of of this book is

801
00:34:42,950 --> 00:34:39,960
you know what have you learned from a

802
00:34:46,849 --> 00:34:42,960
lifetime there's like this and I think

803
00:34:49,190 --> 00:34:46,859
the main things that I learned

804
00:34:50,750 --> 00:34:49,200
I'm just going to put a very very simply

805
00:34:53,089 --> 00:34:50,760
and then you can ask me all the

806
00:34:54,710 --> 00:34:53,099
questions you want but is the importance

807
00:34:58,970 --> 00:34:54,720
of love

808
00:35:02,750 --> 00:34:58,980
um

809
00:35:05,630 --> 00:35:02,760
you know some people have baggage around

810
00:35:07,550 --> 00:35:05,640
terms like God or the higher power if

811
00:35:10,310 --> 00:35:07,560
you want to use a different term spirit

812
00:35:11,990 --> 00:35:10,320
all of ramen the force

813
00:35:14,150 --> 00:35:12,000
you know having been over on the other

814
00:35:16,790 --> 00:35:14,160
side five times

815
00:35:18,650 --> 00:35:16,800
it doesn't matter to me what name people

816
00:35:20,510 --> 00:35:18,660
want to call it you can call it whatever

817
00:35:23,210 --> 00:35:20,520
you want you know from your your

818
00:35:27,290 --> 00:35:23,220
particular background or tradition but

819
00:35:30,349 --> 00:35:27,300
but there is an intelligence

820
00:35:32,150 --> 00:35:30,359
behind the universe no matter what name

821
00:35:33,109 --> 00:35:32,160
we call it or whether we believe in it

822
00:35:36,170 --> 00:35:33,119
or not

823
00:35:40,069 --> 00:35:36,180
and the fundamental nature that I have

824
00:35:43,810 --> 00:35:40,079
experienced of this intelligence Force

825
00:35:48,050 --> 00:35:43,820
is the love that it's incredibly

826
00:35:51,470 --> 00:35:48,060
loving and that we're all it's like

827
00:35:54,230 --> 00:35:51,480
we're all connected

828
00:35:56,210 --> 00:35:54,240
to this love I I call it sometimes like

829
00:35:58,370 --> 00:35:56,220
a billion or trillion legs on a

830
00:36:00,170 --> 00:35:58,380
millipede we're all connected we're all

831
00:36:02,270 --> 00:36:00,180
equally connected all the legs are

832
00:36:05,690 --> 00:36:02,280
equally connected we're all part of this

833
00:36:08,349 --> 00:36:05,700
big Universal plan unfolding but our

834
00:36:11,270 --> 00:36:08,359
capacity is little legs

835
00:36:13,550 --> 00:36:11,280
we don't have the capacity to have the

836
00:36:16,010 --> 00:36:13,560
awareness and the understanding that

837
00:36:18,410 --> 00:36:16,020
we're part of something much bigger and

838
00:36:20,450 --> 00:36:18,420
that we're we're all connected in some

839
00:36:23,210 --> 00:36:20,460
way we're all part of this big Universal

840
00:36:25,609 --> 00:36:23,220
team and actually everything works

841
00:36:27,829 --> 00:36:25,619
better for everybody if we learn to love

842
00:36:30,050 --> 00:36:27,839
one another and work together rather

843
00:36:30,770 --> 00:36:30,060
than get into ego conflicts with each

844
00:36:35,510 --> 00:36:30,780
other

845
00:36:37,550 --> 00:36:35,520
take-home message I've learned from

846
00:36:38,510 --> 00:36:37,560
having all of these experiences in my

847
00:36:40,670 --> 00:36:38,520
life

848
00:36:42,230 --> 00:36:40,680
spiritual experiences

849
00:36:43,849 --> 00:36:42,240
is that

850
00:36:47,450 --> 00:36:43,859
um

851
00:36:50,270 --> 00:36:47,460
I'm not the physical body

852
00:36:53,150 --> 00:36:50,280
and none of us are the physical body

853
00:36:56,329 --> 00:36:53,160
we are whatever you want to call us

854
00:36:58,730 --> 00:36:56,339
souls or spirits that are living inside

855
00:37:00,890 --> 00:36:58,740
the physical body like you know like you

856
00:37:03,349 --> 00:37:00,900
go inside a card and move around and

857
00:37:07,670 --> 00:37:03,359
when the car gets old well if you get a

858
00:37:10,730 --> 00:37:07,680
new part so and that's similarly when uh

859
00:37:15,589 --> 00:37:10,740
our lifespan is has ended whatever uh

860
00:37:17,810 --> 00:37:15,599
age we we leave we our soul exits the

861
00:37:21,589 --> 00:37:17,820
physical body like exiting an old car

862
00:37:23,510 --> 00:37:21,599
I've experienced it five times many

863
00:37:26,270 --> 00:37:23,520
other people have made testimonies to

864
00:37:31,010 --> 00:37:26,280
this but we what we are the soul of

865
00:37:34,970 --> 00:37:31,020
spirit we live on and after a certain

866
00:37:37,790 --> 00:37:34,980
period of what we call time down here we

867
00:37:41,089 --> 00:37:37,800
seem to come back and incarnate again

868
00:37:42,770 --> 00:37:41,099
and maybe on this planet maybe not but

869
00:37:44,750 --> 00:37:42,780
most of us tend to Incarnate back on

870
00:37:46,550 --> 00:37:44,760
this planet at this point in our

871
00:37:47,089 --> 00:37:46,560
Evolution and

872
00:37:47,930 --> 00:37:47,099
[Music]

873
00:37:51,109 --> 00:37:47,940
um

874
00:37:54,890 --> 00:37:51,119
what I was shown and what I've learned

875
00:37:58,069 --> 00:37:54,900
and also I saw with remembering my past

876
00:38:00,170 --> 00:37:58,079
lives is it's like a big Cosmic school

877
00:38:01,790 --> 00:38:00,180
you know and the reason we have to keep

878
00:38:04,130 --> 00:38:01,800
coming back as well we've got more

879
00:38:06,230 --> 00:38:04,140
lessons to learn I'm going to be

880
00:38:08,030 --> 00:38:06,240
finished grade two well you still need

881
00:38:10,790 --> 00:38:08,040
to come back and do grade three and

882
00:38:12,470 --> 00:38:10,800
maybe pass grades three math but you

883
00:38:14,930 --> 00:38:12,480
didn't pass grade three I don't know

884
00:38:16,730 --> 00:38:14,940
spelling or something so you're partly

885
00:38:19,970 --> 00:38:16,740
in one grade partly in another grade

886
00:38:23,089 --> 00:38:19,980
uniquely for what your soul needs in

887
00:38:25,310 --> 00:38:23,099
order to learn and the last point I'm

888
00:38:27,470 --> 00:38:25,320
going to say is that what I was shown

889
00:38:32,589 --> 00:38:27,480
and what I've learned is it's a happy

890
00:38:36,470 --> 00:38:35,150
how many lifetimes it's going to take or

891
00:38:39,829 --> 00:38:36,480
how many more errors we're gonna make

892
00:38:42,170 --> 00:38:39,839
but in the end it seems the divine plan

893
00:38:44,450 --> 00:38:42,180
is that we're all eventually going to

894
00:38:46,069 --> 00:38:44,460
graduate from this school which

895
00:38:49,310 --> 00:38:46,079
sometimes seems like a chamber of

896
00:38:50,930 --> 00:38:49,320
Horrors but it is a school where we're

897
00:38:53,930 --> 00:38:50,940
learning lessons through all of these

898
00:38:55,970 --> 00:38:53,940
experiences and one day every soul will

899
00:38:57,349 --> 00:38:55,980
graduate and make their way home so

900
00:38:58,849 --> 00:38:57,359
how's that for an answer for your

901
00:39:01,609 --> 00:38:58,859
question

902
00:39:03,890 --> 00:39:01,619
well it certainly leaves uh leaves a lot

903
00:39:05,510 --> 00:39:03,900
of questions maybe the place to start

904
00:39:08,030 --> 00:39:05,520
and I don't know we'll just kind of take

905
00:39:10,250 --> 00:39:08,040
this as it comes but I just interviewed

906
00:39:11,810 --> 00:39:10,260
so happens I really do two interviews in

907
00:39:13,910 --> 00:39:11,820
a week but just yesterday a scheduling

908
00:39:15,950 --> 00:39:13,920
worked out I interviewed a near-death

909
00:39:18,050 --> 00:39:15,960
experience a really nice guy the guy's

910
00:39:21,710 --> 00:39:18,060
name is Vinnie Tolman

911
00:39:24,230 --> 00:39:21,720
I don't know it was he was dead dead on

912
00:39:26,210 --> 00:39:24,240
the floor of the Dairy Queen for an hour

913
00:39:28,730 --> 00:39:26,220
before they came and got him and he was

914
00:39:31,250 --> 00:39:28,740
rigor mortis had set in and stuff like

915
00:39:33,050 --> 00:39:31,260
that and uh they cut him out of the body

916
00:39:35,750 --> 00:39:33,060
bag I love that part of his throat cut

917
00:39:38,089 --> 00:39:35,760
him out of the body bag because one of

918
00:39:41,089 --> 00:39:38,099
the EMT guys just had first day on the

919
00:39:43,790 --> 00:39:41,099
job had this just intuitive sense that I

920
00:39:45,349 --> 00:39:43,800
needed to do it and the other guys who

921
00:39:47,150 --> 00:39:45,359
are the other team members were like kid

922
00:39:49,849 --> 00:39:47,160
what are you doing stop that don't quit

923
00:39:52,130 --> 00:39:49,859
messing with that dead body and you know

924
00:39:54,890 --> 00:39:52,140
you it came back to life that's awesome

925
00:39:56,569 --> 00:39:54,900
came back to life Wow here's the

926
00:40:00,170 --> 00:39:56,579
question what are we doing with these

927
00:40:02,630 --> 00:40:00,180
nde stories what is what is the purpose

928
00:40:05,990 --> 00:40:02,640
of those as I'm listening to your story

929
00:40:08,150 --> 00:40:06,000
I'm going there's a certain fantastic

930
00:40:10,069 --> 00:40:08,160
it's fantastic it's a great story and

931
00:40:12,530 --> 00:40:10,079
you have to share it but there's a

932
00:40:15,349 --> 00:40:12,540
certain yada yada to it you know heard

933
00:40:17,630 --> 00:40:15,359
him heard him heard multiple ones been

934
00:40:21,470 --> 00:40:17,640
on Jeff Long's website thousands of them

935
00:40:22,670 --> 00:40:21,480
read them for inspiration I get it it's

936
00:40:29,829 --> 00:40:22,680
important

937
00:40:32,630 --> 00:40:29,839
but one of the things that we know about

938
00:40:34,430 --> 00:40:32,640
near-death experiencers

939
00:40:36,589 --> 00:40:34,440
and one of the things I want to do as an

940
00:40:39,109 --> 00:40:36,599
aside and I've told you this is I want

941
00:40:41,630 --> 00:40:39,119
to kind of cross-correlate this with the

942
00:40:44,030 --> 00:40:41,640
other interviews I've done and just

943
00:40:46,730 --> 00:40:44,040
recently interviewed pmh Outwater and

944
00:40:50,450 --> 00:40:46,740
what I think she really pointed us

945
00:40:52,910 --> 00:40:50,460
towards very accurately with her long

946
00:40:55,730 --> 00:40:52,920
time near-death experience researcher is

947
00:40:58,069 --> 00:40:55,740
the after effects and one of the after

948
00:40:59,290 --> 00:40:58,079
effects that's kind of strange is this

949
00:41:01,910 --> 00:40:59,300
kind of

950
00:41:04,609 --> 00:41:01,920
proselytizing people come back and

951
00:41:08,390 --> 00:41:04,619
they're converted and then they want to

952
00:41:09,890 --> 00:41:08,400
convert everybody else and they also in

953
00:41:12,349 --> 00:41:09,900
the process they sometimes turn other

954
00:41:14,210 --> 00:41:12,359
people off I rate a divorce little

955
00:41:17,829 --> 00:41:14,220
thoughts because they're sometimes

956
00:41:20,870 --> 00:41:17,839
depressed and there is a certain

957
00:41:24,310 --> 00:41:20,880
toughness about you that I really like

958
00:41:27,170 --> 00:41:24,320
in your story it is that yoga toughness

959
00:41:30,550 --> 00:41:27,180
that I think comes through it's

960
00:41:34,790 --> 00:41:30,560
different than the Christian Evangelical

961
00:41:38,390 --> 00:41:34,800
holy Jesus role in the aisles it's kind

962
00:41:41,630 --> 00:41:38,400
of a no get up sit on the mat do the

963
00:41:43,190 --> 00:41:41,640
work do the work the next day or there's

964
00:41:44,990 --> 00:41:43,200
no place to go

965
00:41:49,550 --> 00:41:45,000
we're not going to get there in front of

966
00:41:53,329 --> 00:41:49,560
anyone else do the freaking work so

967
00:41:55,310 --> 00:41:53,339
the point though is what do we suppose

968
00:41:58,190 --> 00:41:55,320
what do you suppose

969
00:42:00,349 --> 00:41:58,200
is the point of the near-death

970
00:42:02,810 --> 00:42:00,359
experience story

971
00:42:07,010 --> 00:42:02,820
where does it work

972
00:42:08,990 --> 00:42:07,020
where does it fail us who are subjected

973
00:42:12,109 --> 00:42:09,000
to to it

974
00:42:15,170 --> 00:42:12,119
how do we process that how do we work

975
00:42:17,150 --> 00:42:15,180
with that as opposed to

976
00:42:20,690 --> 00:42:17,160
or in addition to the near-death

977
00:42:23,030 --> 00:42:20,700
experience science okay well I that's a

978
00:42:25,550 --> 00:42:23,040
great question thank you Alex and I have

979
00:42:27,170 --> 00:42:25,560
a few points I'd like to make about that

980
00:42:27,950 --> 00:42:27,180
I think

981
00:42:31,069 --> 00:42:27,960
um

982
00:42:34,670 --> 00:42:31,079
first off I think that near-death

983
00:42:36,050 --> 00:42:34,680
experiences are becoming more common so

984
00:42:37,730 --> 00:42:36,060
I'd like to say that I think they're

985
00:42:42,230 --> 00:42:37,740
becoming more common

986
00:42:44,810 --> 00:42:42,240
we have all these medical resuscitation

987
00:42:46,910 --> 00:42:44,820
techniques you know that that like with

988
00:42:49,930 --> 00:42:46,920
the cardiac arrest story all of the

989
00:42:52,970 --> 00:42:49,940
people in pinball lumbles uh research

990
00:42:55,970 --> 00:42:52,980
they all got resuscitated like with

991
00:42:57,410 --> 00:42:55,980
defibrillators Etc and we have all sorts

992
00:43:00,050 --> 00:42:57,420
of other stuff we have stories now

993
00:43:01,849 --> 00:43:00,060
people on covid respirators having

994
00:43:04,670 --> 00:43:01,859
near-death experience of course before

995
00:43:06,530 --> 00:43:04,680
the technology of respirators they would

996
00:43:07,430 --> 00:43:06,540
have passed away you know that that so

997
00:43:10,190 --> 00:43:07,440
we have

998
00:43:12,589 --> 00:43:10,200
drugs that treat pneumonia all sorts of

999
00:43:16,069 --> 00:43:12,599
things surgery for heart conditions so

1000
00:43:18,170 --> 00:43:16,079
our medical advances we we are

1001
00:43:20,270 --> 00:43:18,180
resuscitating more people and actually

1002
00:43:22,130 --> 00:43:20,280
there's research now that with

1003
00:43:23,870 --> 00:43:22,140
defibrillators they are bringing people

1004
00:43:26,329 --> 00:43:23,880
back who've been dead for well

1005
00:43:28,430 --> 00:43:26,339
considerable periods of time then you

1006
00:43:30,410 --> 00:43:28,440
have the other experience like the

1007
00:43:32,930 --> 00:43:30,420
fellow you interviewed yesterday or this

1008
00:43:34,790 --> 00:43:32,940
week who he came back on his own after

1009
00:43:36,650 --> 00:43:34,800
being dead some period of time just to

1010
00:43:38,930 --> 00:43:36,660
clarify they Zapped him the guy cuts him

1011
00:43:42,670 --> 00:43:38,940
out of the body bag hits them with the

1012
00:43:47,510 --> 00:43:46,010
yeah yeah so again so then that's what I

1013
00:43:50,390 --> 00:43:47,520
was saying in the first place it was the

1014
00:43:52,849 --> 00:43:50,400
resuscitation technique so it's a

1015
00:43:55,130 --> 00:43:52,859
phenomenon that's happening more

1016
00:43:57,530 --> 00:43:55,140
but hold on let me interject there I'll

1017
00:44:00,349 --> 00:43:57,540
have this already we got it's

1018
00:44:04,069 --> 00:44:00,359
problematic because that's not exactly

1019
00:44:07,250 --> 00:44:04,079
Vinnie's story right Vinnie's story is

1020
00:44:10,069 --> 00:44:07,260
he's above his body he's seeing the body

1021
00:44:12,109 --> 00:44:10,079
and add this to it because this is the

1022
00:44:15,109 --> 00:44:12,119
god Consciousness this is the part that

1023
00:44:17,270 --> 00:44:15,119
we have to process because when you say

1024
00:44:20,210 --> 00:44:17,280
resuscitation techniques technology

1025
00:44:21,650 --> 00:44:20,220
great man I want to go there I want to

1026
00:44:24,250 --> 00:44:21,660
talk about all that the role of

1027
00:44:27,770 --> 00:44:24,260
Technology but Vinnie's story is

1028
00:44:29,630 --> 00:44:27,780
suddenly I saw a light

1029
00:44:33,050 --> 00:44:29,640
in this guy

1030
00:44:35,569 --> 00:44:33,060
in this young trainee at the EMT and

1031
00:44:40,069 --> 00:44:35,579
this light was just glowing through him

1032
00:44:43,490 --> 00:44:40,079
and I heard a voice that said you gotta

1033
00:44:45,410 --> 00:44:43,500
do this and the guy takes action so this

1034
00:44:47,510 --> 00:44:45,420
is not you know you could say the

1035
00:44:49,550 --> 00:44:47,520
Technology's there but there's some kind

1036
00:44:52,069 --> 00:44:49,560
of but there's an additional component

1037
00:44:54,050 --> 00:44:52,079
because here's the other part of that is

1038
00:44:55,309 --> 00:44:54,060
that then he goes back to the guy and

1039
00:44:56,990 --> 00:44:55,319
interviews the guy because one of the

1040
00:44:59,210 --> 00:44:57,000
things I really pushed Vinnie on as I

1041
00:45:01,910 --> 00:44:59,220
said we need to be able to verify your

1042
00:45:03,829 --> 00:45:01,920
story right off the bat so like I I

1043
00:45:05,589 --> 00:45:03,839
believe you but I don't believe you so

1044
00:45:08,569 --> 00:45:05,599
publish all the names of everybody

1045
00:45:10,370 --> 00:45:08,579
because that's what it takes and if we

1046
00:45:14,089 --> 00:45:10,380
go back to the history Evan Alexander

1047
00:45:16,790 --> 00:45:14,099
you know debunked uh Esquire magazine

1048
00:45:19,130 --> 00:45:16,800
and then undebunked because you go and

1049
00:45:20,809 --> 00:45:19,140
you really do the work thoroughly and

1050
00:45:22,250 --> 00:45:20,819
that's part of the game too of what game

1051
00:45:25,550 --> 00:45:22,260
is being played in terms of

1052
00:45:27,349 --> 00:45:25,560
misinformation disinformation image

1053
00:45:29,089 --> 00:45:27,359
cheapening and all the rest of that Evan

1054
00:45:32,030 --> 00:45:29,099
Alexander comes through that with flying

1055
00:45:34,250 --> 00:45:32,040
colors but he had to go through the the

1056
00:45:36,650 --> 00:45:34,260
mill to do that

1057
00:45:38,809 --> 00:45:36,660
so that's what Vinnie needs to do but

1058
00:45:41,569 --> 00:45:38,819
when he goes back and talks to the EMT

1059
00:45:43,550 --> 00:45:41,579
the EMT he says did you feel though did

1060
00:45:46,790 --> 00:45:43,560
you see the light did you hear the voice

1061
00:45:48,890 --> 00:45:46,800
and the guy goes nah I had none of that

1062
00:45:50,410 --> 00:45:48,900
stuff I just felt like I needed to do it

1063
00:45:54,109 --> 00:45:50,420
right so

1064
00:45:55,970 --> 00:45:54,119
processing that leaves a lot of leaves a

1065
00:45:59,089 --> 00:45:55,980
lot of gaps but the first thing is it

1066
00:46:00,770 --> 00:45:59,099
doesn't exactly fit with your first

1067
00:46:02,210 --> 00:46:00,780
answer there not that you're you're

1068
00:46:03,650 --> 00:46:02,220
right or wrong but it's like this is

1069
00:46:05,930 --> 00:46:03,660
what we're this is what we're dealing

1070
00:46:08,089 --> 00:46:05,940
with in sorting this thing out you know

1071
00:46:09,829 --> 00:46:08,099
we go to the Mystic Yvonne and she says

1072
00:46:12,349 --> 00:46:09,839
well it's because we have more

1073
00:46:14,030 --> 00:46:12,359
technology and then I said that was one

1074
00:46:15,890 --> 00:46:14,040
of the reasons I didn't say that was the

1075
00:46:18,650 --> 00:46:15,900
only reason you know that's one of the

1076
00:46:20,930 --> 00:46:18,660
reasons uh I was going to about to say

1077
00:46:23,569 --> 00:46:20,940
uh sort of interrupt there but I think

1078
00:46:25,790 --> 00:46:23,579
we're also hearing about it more so

1079
00:46:27,770 --> 00:46:25,800
because we really don't have a barometer

1080
00:46:29,510 --> 00:46:27,780
about how many we know that it's been

1081
00:46:31,550 --> 00:46:29,520
happening in the past because there are

1082
00:46:33,410 --> 00:46:31,560
documentations going back in history I

1083
00:46:35,870 --> 00:46:33,420
can go into some of that if you want but

1084
00:46:38,390 --> 00:46:35,880
that we know that um I'll give you one

1085
00:46:40,490 --> 00:46:38,400
example there uh Gopi Krishna wrote

1086
00:46:43,069 --> 00:46:40,500
about this who was a Indian scholar who

1087
00:46:45,349 --> 00:46:43,079
wrote about Kundalini Awakening and he

1088
00:46:47,150 --> 00:46:45,359
thought that a particular

1089
00:46:49,490 --> 00:46:47,160
um Tech he thought there was a

1090
00:46:52,010 --> 00:46:49,500
relationship between Kundalini Awakening

1091
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and near-death experiences which also

1092
00:46:56,809 --> 00:46:55,140
connects to the the after effects why so

1093
00:46:59,510 --> 00:46:56,819
many people have near-death experiences

1094
00:47:01,550 --> 00:46:59,520
have the same type of After Effects is

1095
00:47:03,890 --> 00:47:01,560
somebody who's had a Kundalini Awakening

1096
00:47:05,270 --> 00:47:03,900
that may be their Awakening Kundalini

1097
00:47:06,890 --> 00:47:05,280
with their near-death experience and

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00:47:08,390 --> 00:47:06,900
I've actually written about that and I

1099
00:47:11,569 --> 00:47:08,400
have several videos where I talk about

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00:47:14,990 --> 00:47:11,579
that but Gopi Krishna said that he

1101
00:47:17,329 --> 00:47:15,000
thought the ancient yogic technique and

1102
00:47:20,270 --> 00:47:17,339
it's called mudra

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00:47:22,730 --> 00:47:20,280
where a yogi would try and turn their

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00:47:24,710 --> 00:47:22,740
tongue back so that it would block their

1105
00:47:28,370 --> 00:47:24,720
Airway so that was actually sort of

1106
00:47:30,650 --> 00:47:28,380
asphyxiate them he thought that the

1107
00:47:34,130 --> 00:47:30,660
reason they were doing that was that

1108
00:47:36,829 --> 00:47:34,140
they were trying to induce a near-death

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00:47:39,410 --> 00:47:36,839
experience which would

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00:47:42,230 --> 00:47:39,420
activate which would make the Kundalini

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00:47:44,690 --> 00:47:42,240
awaken which you know many Advanced Yoga

1112
00:47:48,170 --> 00:47:44,700
practices that's what they're trying to

1113
00:47:50,870 --> 00:47:48,180
do is to awaken the spiritual energy so

1114
00:47:53,750 --> 00:47:50,880
he he speculated that that's where that

1115
00:47:57,349 --> 00:47:53,760
ancient technique came from that is

1116
00:47:59,750 --> 00:47:57,359
interesting and problematic in all ways

1117
00:48:01,550 --> 00:47:59,760
right in all the ways that we're talking

1118
00:48:03,829 --> 00:48:01,560
about these are the next level questions

1119
00:48:05,870 --> 00:48:03,839
that we're not answering so we can't

1120
00:48:07,609 --> 00:48:05,880
just roll on with the story in the next

1121
00:48:09,349 --> 00:48:07,619
I'll tell you you know I interviewed a

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00:48:11,450 --> 00:48:09,359
guy do you know Gregory shushan Dr

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00:48:12,890 --> 00:48:11,460
Gregory shushan I've heard the name that

1124
00:48:15,790 --> 00:48:12,900
I don't know you probably do because

1125
00:48:19,910 --> 00:48:15,800
you're past president of ions

1126
00:48:21,730 --> 00:48:19,920
and so Gregory sushan has done the most

1127
00:48:25,130 --> 00:48:21,740
extensive work on

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00:48:28,670 --> 00:48:25,140
nde's cross-cultural across time right

1129
00:48:30,170 --> 00:48:28,680
so and he's published Oxford trained you

1130
00:48:34,130 --> 00:48:30,180
know academic guy published

1131
00:48:36,170 --> 00:48:34,140
peer-reviewed and there's it it ties all

1132
00:48:39,290 --> 00:48:36,180
this stuff together one is that these

1133
00:48:41,630 --> 00:48:39,300
things happen and at the end of the day

1134
00:48:44,930 --> 00:48:41,640
some of the conclusions he comes to is

1135
00:48:49,130 --> 00:48:44,940
virtually every culture he saw there

1136
00:48:51,849 --> 00:48:49,140
after life belief system is based on

1137
00:48:55,430 --> 00:48:51,859
people having these experiences

1138
00:48:58,430 --> 00:48:55,440
interesting and number two that they

1139
00:49:01,370 --> 00:48:58,440
there is this temptation to induce these

1140
00:49:02,930 --> 00:49:01,380
then right so we hear this shamanically

1141
00:49:04,490 --> 00:49:02,940
right and and this is the right to

1142
00:49:07,069 --> 00:49:04,500
passage you know and you're going to get

1143
00:49:08,930 --> 00:49:07,079
bit by 500 bees or you're going to do

1144
00:49:11,390 --> 00:49:08,940
this you're gonna do that so it's the

1145
00:49:14,390 --> 00:49:11,400
same thing and then we can look at that

1146
00:49:18,290 --> 00:49:14,400
from uh the accounts that we hear

1147
00:49:21,370 --> 00:49:18,300
that might not be necessarily the best

1148
00:49:24,170 --> 00:49:21,380
plan for for an individual but he likes

1149
00:49:25,790 --> 00:49:24,180
and he might die rather than having your

1150
00:49:27,349 --> 00:49:25,800
death experience yeah I was going to

1151
00:49:28,910 --> 00:49:27,359
share another one that Gopi Krishna

1152
00:49:31,910 --> 00:49:28,920
pointed out and I don't know if uh Dr

1153
00:49:34,430 --> 00:49:31,920
shushan also had it in his book but he

1154
00:49:36,410 --> 00:49:34,440
uh Gopi Krishna

1155
00:49:38,150 --> 00:49:36,420
um looks at the headdressers of Egyptian

1156
00:49:39,770 --> 00:49:38,160
pharaohs you know and how they have the

1157
00:49:42,230 --> 00:49:39,780
serpent coming out of the third eye

1158
00:49:45,290 --> 00:49:42,240
region and many of these headdresses and

1159
00:49:46,970 --> 00:49:45,300
the serpent is a really ancient symbol

1160
00:49:50,870 --> 00:49:46,980
for the Kundalini for an act of

1161
00:49:52,270 --> 00:49:50,880
Kundalini so uh he speculated and I mean

1162
00:49:55,430 --> 00:49:52,280
this is speculation

1163
00:49:58,430 --> 00:49:55,440
yeah but but I I find it fascinating and

1164
00:50:01,490 --> 00:49:58,440
to think about as possibilities is that

1165
00:50:04,010 --> 00:50:01,500
he speculated that the ancient Egyptian

1166
00:50:07,430 --> 00:50:04,020
right there was a one ancient Egyptian

1167
00:50:10,069 --> 00:50:07,440
Rite for prospective pharaohs like an

1168
00:50:13,130 --> 00:50:10,079
initiation right where they would lock

1169
00:50:14,930 --> 00:50:13,140
him in a tomb for a period of time so if

1170
00:50:16,730 --> 00:50:14,940
you're locked in the Tomb for a period

1171
00:50:19,870 --> 00:50:16,740
of time you're going to run out of

1172
00:50:22,730 --> 00:50:19,880
oxygen you're going to asphyxiate and so

1173
00:50:25,849 --> 00:50:22,740
one of the things that if Kundalini

1174
00:50:28,430 --> 00:50:25,859
awakens and goes to the brain one of the

1175
00:50:30,530 --> 00:50:28,440
phenomena is that it it saves the brain

1176
00:50:32,990 --> 00:50:30,540
it keeps the brain alive which is why

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00:50:34,910 --> 00:50:33,000
Gopi Krishna said he thinks in many

1178
00:50:36,950 --> 00:50:34,920
cases in a near-death experience the

1179
00:50:39,589 --> 00:50:36,960
Kundalini is Awakening because it's like

1180
00:50:42,710 --> 00:50:39,599
the body's mechanism to try and keep the

1181
00:50:45,770 --> 00:50:42,720
brain alive as long as possible and so

1182
00:50:48,170 --> 00:50:45,780
if the person locked in the Tomb had a

1183
00:50:50,210 --> 00:50:48,180
Kundalini Awakening and their brain was

1184
00:50:52,010 --> 00:50:50,220
protected when you know the the people

1185
00:50:53,930 --> 00:50:52,020
doing the initiation would open the tomb

1186
00:50:55,490 --> 00:50:53,940
later yes you are fit to be pharaoh and

1187
00:50:58,250 --> 00:50:55,500
you know if they open their too many is

1188
00:51:00,410 --> 00:50:58,260
dead well guess he's not fit to be zero

1189
00:51:03,349 --> 00:51:00,420
and and

1190
00:51:06,109 --> 00:51:03,359
I mean I find this interesting I find it

1191
00:51:08,030 --> 00:51:06,119
fascinating because when a person has an

1192
00:51:09,710 --> 00:51:08,040
act of Kundalini just like someone who's

1193
00:51:11,690 --> 00:51:09,720
had a near-death experience because

1194
00:51:12,950 --> 00:51:11,700
they're very similar After Effects I

1195
00:51:14,809 --> 00:51:12,960
mean that's part of what I've been

1196
00:51:17,270 --> 00:51:14,819
researching in my career

1197
00:51:18,829 --> 00:51:17,280
is that they tend to become more

1198
00:51:21,950 --> 00:51:18,839
intuitive

1199
00:51:24,950 --> 00:51:21,960
they may develop psychic gifts as After

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00:51:27,470 --> 00:51:24,960
Effects they may have mediumship they

1201
00:51:29,329 --> 00:51:27,480
may become Clairvoyant clear audient

1202
00:51:32,150 --> 00:51:29,339
they may develop past life recall

1203
00:51:34,430 --> 00:51:32,160
there's been lots of research into after

1204
00:51:37,069 --> 00:51:34,440
effects and the experiences there's been

1205
00:51:39,230 --> 00:51:37,079
less Research into after effects on

1206
00:51:41,630 --> 00:51:39,240
people with Act of Kundalini but I was

1207
00:51:43,430 --> 00:51:41,640
involved with that research with when I

1208
00:51:45,170 --> 00:51:43,440
was director one of the founders of the

1209
00:51:46,490 --> 00:51:45,180
Kundalini research Network I was the

1210
00:51:50,390 --> 00:51:46,500
director of the Kundalini research

1211
00:51:52,430 --> 00:51:50,400
Network questionnaire project and yes we

1212
00:51:55,549 --> 00:51:52,440
found this as After Effects this was

1213
00:51:57,650 --> 00:51:55,559
published in explore in 20

1214
00:51:58,849 --> 00:51:57,660
I think it was 2020. what are the

1215
00:52:01,430 --> 00:51:58,859
negative effects because I think those

1216
00:52:03,829 --> 00:52:01,440
are underreported and they present kind

1217
00:52:06,230 --> 00:52:03,839
of an interesting question because back

1218
00:52:09,890 --> 00:52:06,240
to the original question is what are we

1219
00:52:12,230 --> 00:52:09,900
to do with the nde accounts because they

1220
00:52:13,549 --> 00:52:12,240
are they are tricky when we process them

1221
00:52:15,109 --> 00:52:13,559
and we're going to talk about that more

1222
00:52:16,490 --> 00:52:15,119
now because yeah we have other people

1223
00:52:19,490 --> 00:52:16,500
saying you know what you're

1224
00:52:21,890 --> 00:52:19,500
misinterpreting that that's uh E.T on

1225
00:52:24,410 --> 00:52:21,900
the in the extended realm that's demonic

1226
00:52:26,630 --> 00:52:24,420
in the extended realm that's okay all

1227
00:52:29,450 --> 00:52:26,640
these other things and I I don't think

1228
00:52:31,430 --> 00:52:29,460
we have any clear understanding of that

1229
00:52:33,710 --> 00:52:31,440
one of the things I appreciate about

1230
00:52:36,170 --> 00:52:33,720
your presentation about

1231
00:52:40,430 --> 00:52:36,180
both here and other places I've heard it

1232
00:52:41,990 --> 00:52:40,440
is you know you you're very uh clear and

1233
00:52:44,990 --> 00:52:42,000
confident in what you're talking about

1234
00:52:47,630 --> 00:52:45,000
but you're also very open about the

1235
00:52:51,109 --> 00:52:47,640
edges of what you know and you're very

1236
00:52:53,089 --> 00:52:51,119
quick to say I don't know maybe could be

1237
00:52:55,309 --> 00:52:53,099
move over this way in that way which I

1238
00:52:58,910 --> 00:52:55,319
think is fantastic is completely

1239
00:53:00,109 --> 00:52:58,920
necessary I I love this story I I just

1240
00:53:01,970 --> 00:53:00,119
wrap this back in and then I'm gonna

1241
00:53:04,549 --> 00:53:01,980
throw the mic back to you one of the

1242
00:53:06,410 --> 00:53:04,559
things you said in your in the original

1243
00:53:09,410 --> 00:53:06,420
account which we've heard many times

1244
00:53:12,170 --> 00:53:09,420
over again is that the download was

1245
00:53:15,470 --> 00:53:12,180
expansive I was in this other realm

1246
00:53:18,290 --> 00:53:15,480
which almost everyone says is the real

1247
00:53:21,589 --> 00:53:18,300
realm is home you know is it not this

1248
00:53:24,349 --> 00:53:21,599
fake realm and there it's like ask a

1249
00:53:25,609 --> 00:53:24,359
question you can't even get it the

1250
00:53:27,410 --> 00:53:25,619
thought in your head it's instantly

1251
00:53:28,970 --> 00:53:27,420
answered you know everything and you

1252
00:53:32,450 --> 00:53:28,980
know stuff that you can't even ask the

1253
00:53:34,670 --> 00:53:32,460
question come down here no funneled in

1254
00:53:37,130 --> 00:53:34,680
I'm now I'm I'm trying to remember my

1255
00:53:39,770 --> 00:53:37,140
dream the next morning and that's right

1256
00:53:43,370 --> 00:53:39,780
down to a Pentium 2 again that's right

1257
00:53:45,349 --> 00:53:43,380
so I I want to roll that back into how

1258
00:53:48,650 --> 00:53:45,359
are we to understand the near-death

1259
00:53:50,390 --> 00:53:48,660
experience so I have to say two points

1260
00:53:53,530 --> 00:53:50,400
here I started saying it we got off in a

1261
00:53:56,210 --> 00:53:53,540
Direction one point is there are many

1262
00:53:57,770 --> 00:53:56,220
different there are at least three

1263
00:53:59,569 --> 00:53:57,780
different types of near-death

1264
00:54:02,450 --> 00:53:59,579
experiences and I go into that in great

1265
00:54:04,910 --> 00:54:02,460
deal and touch by the light is that

1266
00:54:07,430 --> 00:54:04,920
people are right now sort of putting it

1267
00:54:10,370 --> 00:54:07,440
all in one shoe box it's all one thing

1268
00:54:11,990 --> 00:54:10,380
and no it's not there are acts that

1269
00:54:13,730 --> 00:54:12,000
doesn't matter I I know that so there's

1270
00:54:15,970 --> 00:54:13,740
an auto body and then there's talk going

1271
00:54:18,890 --> 00:54:15,980
to heaven and there's the other one

1272
00:54:20,750 --> 00:54:18,900
okay it's all the same in terms of

1273
00:54:22,790 --> 00:54:20,760
people are coming back and they're

1274
00:54:24,530 --> 00:54:22,800
telling their stories okay and what are

1275
00:54:25,730 --> 00:54:24,540
we going to do with those stories and in

1276
00:54:28,430 --> 00:54:25,740
particular because we're going to talk

1277
00:54:30,710 --> 00:54:28,440
about the other stories that don't have

1278
00:54:33,410 --> 00:54:30,720
a near-death experience that mirror it

1279
00:54:35,930 --> 00:54:33,420
so the shamanic stories that do it the

1280
00:54:38,569 --> 00:54:35,940
Psychedelic experiences the ET

1281
00:54:40,609 --> 00:54:38,579
experiences I get what you're saying but

1282
00:54:42,109 --> 00:54:40,619
we're on the same wavelength we're on

1283
00:54:44,990 --> 00:54:42,119
the same wavelength it's just I wasn't

1284
00:54:47,270 --> 00:54:45,000
complete with my thought first off

1285
00:54:49,190 --> 00:54:47,280
because I'm a physician and as a

1286
00:54:52,490 --> 00:54:49,200
physician the way I was trained in the

1287
00:54:56,270 --> 00:54:52,500
way that my mind works is I want to make

1288
00:54:58,190 --> 00:54:56,280
an accurate diagnosis now diagnosis

1289
00:55:00,470 --> 00:54:58,200
seems to you know people all you're

1290
00:55:02,750 --> 00:55:00,480
saying it's a disease okay let's call it

1291
00:55:06,109 --> 00:55:02,760
an accurate label I want it correctly

1292
00:55:09,230 --> 00:55:06,119
and accurately label and Define what it

1293
00:55:11,089 --> 00:55:09,240
is that we're looking at here and you

1294
00:55:12,950 --> 00:55:11,099
know that that's part of why I did all

1295
00:55:15,549 --> 00:55:12,960
my work with spiritually transformative

1296
00:55:18,230 --> 00:55:15,559
experience this is giving people

1297
00:55:20,569 --> 00:55:18,240
definitions okay this is a mystical

1298
00:55:23,030 --> 00:55:20,579
experience there are many sub types of

1299
00:55:25,970 --> 00:55:23,040
mystical experiences mystical

1300
00:55:28,130 --> 00:55:25,980
experiences can happen to you when

1301
00:55:30,230 --> 00:55:28,140
you're sitting and meditating mystical

1302
00:55:32,390 --> 00:55:30,240
experiences can happen you when you're

1303
00:55:34,130 --> 00:55:32,400
looking at a sunset mystical experiences

1304
00:55:36,170 --> 00:55:34,140
can happen to you just out of the blue

1305
00:55:38,329 --> 00:55:36,180
some people although it's a very rare

1306
00:55:41,210 --> 00:55:38,339
habit when they're doing hallucinogenic

1307
00:55:43,670 --> 00:55:41,220
drugs revision quests some people have

1308
00:55:45,109 --> 00:55:43,680
mystical experiences when they're near

1309
00:55:49,010 --> 00:55:45,119
death

1310
00:55:50,930 --> 00:55:49,020
so that is one type of mystical

1311
00:55:53,150 --> 00:55:50,940
experience is the type that you have

1312
00:55:55,490 --> 00:55:53,160
when you're near death similarly

1313
00:55:57,109 --> 00:55:55,500
starting from the other end there are

1314
00:55:58,910 --> 00:55:57,119
different types of near-death

1315
00:56:01,430 --> 00:55:58,920
experiences they are not all the same

1316
00:56:03,230 --> 00:56:01,440
and they don't have the same After

1317
00:56:05,990 --> 00:56:03,240
Effects and I think we're at a point

1318
00:56:08,150 --> 00:56:06,000
where it is important to distinguish

1319
00:56:12,470 --> 00:56:08,160
because they have different after

1320
00:56:14,870 --> 00:56:12,480
effects and if one type is the mystical

1321
00:56:16,490 --> 00:56:14,880
near-death experience and if you compare

1322
00:56:18,470 --> 00:56:16,500
the after effects that's the ones where

1323
00:56:20,150 --> 00:56:18,480
the white light and they they see beings

1324
00:56:23,210 --> 00:56:20,160
of light they may or may not have a Life

1325
00:56:26,270 --> 00:56:23,220
review these are the people who are

1326
00:56:28,069 --> 00:56:26,280
really spiritually transformed and they

1327
00:56:30,829 --> 00:56:28,079
start proselytizing like crazy

1328
00:56:34,670 --> 00:56:30,839
afterwards but you will find many of

1329
00:56:36,230 --> 00:56:34,680
them do mystical experiences also of

1330
00:56:37,609 --> 00:56:36,240
other kites that might happen when

1331
00:56:39,470 --> 00:56:37,619
you're meditating might happen when

1332
00:56:42,770 --> 00:56:39,480
you're watching the sunset those

1333
00:56:44,809 --> 00:56:42,780
mystical experiences also profile we

1334
00:56:47,089 --> 00:56:44,819
transform people

1335
00:56:49,910 --> 00:56:47,099
now there's a second completely

1336
00:56:53,210 --> 00:56:49,920
different type of Ste but it's related

1337
00:56:54,890 --> 00:56:53,220
and in yoga because I found in my

1338
00:56:56,870 --> 00:56:54,900
research I looked at a lot of different

1339
00:56:59,030 --> 00:56:56,880
models psychological models different

1340
00:57:01,790 --> 00:56:59,040
sacred traditions for me I found the

1341
00:57:04,190 --> 00:57:01,800
best vocabulary and model that fit for

1342
00:57:06,410 --> 00:57:04,200
me was in yoga so I use a lot of words

1343
00:57:08,630 --> 00:57:06,420
from yoga so in yoga it's called the

1344
00:57:10,430 --> 00:57:08,640
samadhi a mystical experience this is a

1345
00:57:12,170 --> 00:57:10,440
samadhi and there are many types of

1346
00:57:14,450 --> 00:57:12,180
samadhi and the yogic and Buddha

1347
00:57:17,210 --> 00:57:14,460
Traditions talks about it many types but

1348
00:57:20,589 --> 00:57:17,220
these are called samades now there's an

1349
00:57:23,690 --> 00:57:20,599
another uh uh

1350
00:57:26,930 --> 00:57:23,700
capacity of our human consciousness to

1351
00:57:30,470 --> 00:57:26,940
have more expanded experiences that is

1352
00:57:33,349 --> 00:57:30,480
described in yoga as cities or psychic

1353
00:57:35,750 --> 00:57:33,359
phenomenon and there are many types of

1354
00:57:37,549 --> 00:57:35,760
cities or psychic phenomena yoga sutras

1355
00:57:39,650 --> 00:57:37,559
epitogly as a whole chapter talking

1356
00:57:43,490 --> 00:57:39,660
about all the different types of

1357
00:57:47,210 --> 00:57:43,500
mental phenomenon but in today's day and

1358
00:57:49,849 --> 00:57:47,220
age in 2023 there are vocabularies in

1359
00:57:53,390 --> 00:57:49,859
English for these experiences so one

1360
00:57:55,430 --> 00:57:53,400
term isn't out of body experience that

1361
00:57:57,829 --> 00:57:55,440
is one type of City it is one type of

1362
00:57:59,930 --> 00:57:57,839
psychic experience and sometimes people

1363
00:58:01,370 --> 00:57:59,940
will have out of body experiences when

1364
00:58:02,630 --> 00:58:01,380
they're meditating sometimes they'll

1365
00:58:04,730 --> 00:58:02,640
have them at night when they're dreaming

1366
00:58:06,829 --> 00:58:04,740
sometimes they'll have them when they're

1367
00:58:08,569 --> 00:58:06,839
close to death and when they happen to

1368
00:58:10,849 --> 00:58:08,579
have an out-of-body experience when

1369
00:58:12,890 --> 00:58:10,859
they're close to death that is also

1370
00:58:15,109 --> 00:58:12,900
called an near-death experience so

1371
00:58:17,510 --> 00:58:15,119
nowadays people are calling a near-death

1372
00:58:20,390 --> 00:58:17,520
experience people have had a mystical

1373
00:58:22,309 --> 00:58:20,400
experience or an out-of-body experience

1374
00:58:25,250 --> 00:58:22,319
which are two very different experiences

1375
00:58:28,130 --> 00:58:25,260
when they're close to death now so often

1376
00:58:30,290 --> 00:58:28,140
people will have both and in yoga this

1377
00:58:32,329 --> 00:58:30,300
is understood by the chakras oh I do

1378
00:58:35,930 --> 00:58:32,339
have to say yada yada okay so I

1379
00:58:38,450 --> 00:58:35,940
interview Ray Hernandez who is part of I

1380
00:58:42,849 --> 00:58:38,460
know well you know Ray okay I know him

1381
00:58:48,170 --> 00:58:46,250
right so and that's uh uh this whole

1382
00:58:51,470 --> 00:58:48,180
group over there and they're connected

1383
00:58:53,630 --> 00:58:51,480
to your Mitchell Mitchell yeah who's

1384
00:58:56,530 --> 00:58:53,640
recently passed away but Ray's story

1385
00:59:00,289 --> 00:58:56,540
maybe you remember this is

1386
00:59:02,450 --> 00:59:00,299
Rey is in bed with his wife and well

1387
00:59:04,670 --> 00:59:02,460
he's in bed but his wife isn't there and

1388
00:59:08,030 --> 00:59:04,680
he sees this bright light downstairs he

1389
00:59:09,589 --> 00:59:08,040
goes to walk down the stairs and his

1390
00:59:12,829 --> 00:59:09,599
little dog who they were getting ready

1391
00:59:15,530 --> 00:59:12,839
to put down the next day very ill and

1392
00:59:17,750 --> 00:59:15,540
the dog couldn't move was so the dog is

1393
00:59:20,809 --> 00:59:17,760
running around what's going on there and

1394
00:59:23,030 --> 00:59:20,819
his wife is going the angel the angel in

1395
00:59:25,010 --> 00:59:23,040
the corner and there's an E.T in the

1396
00:59:27,950 --> 00:59:25,020
corner who's showing shining this light

1397
00:59:31,549 --> 00:59:27,960
and has healed the dog and she verifies

1398
00:59:33,170 --> 00:59:31,559
that Rey has a telepathic message in his

1399
00:59:35,210 --> 00:59:33,180
head which is a screen memory which is

1400
00:59:38,089 --> 00:59:35,220
very interesting and is not sounding

1401
00:59:39,710 --> 00:59:38,099
like other God you know good spirit kind

1402
00:59:41,930 --> 00:59:39,720
of thing is like there's nothing going

1403
00:59:44,510 --> 00:59:41,940
on here go back upstairs and go to bed

1404
00:59:47,630 --> 00:59:44,520
this is not a love caring this is more

1405
00:59:49,910 --> 00:59:47,640
of a manipulation kind of thing so he

1406
00:59:53,690 --> 00:59:49,920
goes back upstairs and goes to bed he

1407
00:59:55,789 --> 00:59:53,700
has now had ongoing contact with

1408
00:59:58,010 --> 00:59:55,799
witnessed by other people witnessed by

1409
01:00:01,250 --> 00:59:58,020
his neighbors Witness by this his wife

1410
01:00:02,410 --> 01:00:01,260
who is Catholic still understands this

1411
01:00:06,770 --> 01:00:02,420
as us

1412
01:00:09,109 --> 01:00:06,780
yeah but the elements of this are

1413
01:00:11,930 --> 01:00:09,119
healing like you're kind of healing

1414
01:00:15,970 --> 01:00:11,940
there's tons of reports of miraculous

1415
01:00:19,670 --> 01:00:15,980
healing as part of these nde accounts

1416
01:00:22,670 --> 01:00:19,680
abduction accounts also have with them a

1417
01:00:25,370 --> 01:00:22,680
lot of stuff that we would call evil

1418
01:00:27,349 --> 01:00:25,380
there's a sexual contact that is and

1419
01:00:29,270 --> 01:00:27,359
traumatic and traumatic to the

1420
01:00:31,490 --> 01:00:29,280
experience or yeah absolutely this is

1421
01:00:32,870 --> 01:00:31,500
what I'm getting to is that I don't want

1422
01:00:35,270 --> 01:00:32,880
to hear about the different kinds of

1423
01:00:38,569 --> 01:00:35,280
near-death experiences what I want to

1424
01:00:40,250 --> 01:00:38,579
know is what is going on in these

1425
01:00:42,770 --> 01:00:40,260
extended Realms how are we supposed to

1426
01:00:44,930 --> 01:00:42,780
understand them and how are we supposed

1427
01:00:46,789 --> 01:00:44,940
to understand the information that's

1428
01:00:48,230 --> 01:00:46,799
coming back from these extended Realms

1429
01:00:50,270 --> 01:00:48,240
because one of the problems I have with

1430
01:00:52,309 --> 01:00:50,280
what you're saying is you're starting to

1431
01:00:54,770 --> 01:00:52,319
Divine stuff that we have we don't even

1432
01:00:57,109 --> 01:00:54,780
understand that we haven't even begun to

1433
01:00:58,370 --> 01:00:57,119
understand what it is and now we're

1434
01:01:00,109 --> 01:00:58,380
going to Define it we're going to

1435
01:01:02,809 --> 01:01:00,119
categorize it we're going to say you saw

1436
01:01:05,870 --> 01:01:02,819
this and you saw this so you had an Obe

1437
01:01:07,609 --> 01:01:05,880
and here are the guys from MKUltra who

1438
01:01:09,470 --> 01:01:07,619
they're remote viewing and that's

1439
01:01:11,390 --> 01:01:09,480
different than being psychic and that's

1440
01:01:12,829 --> 01:01:11,400
different than the akashic records and

1441
01:01:14,990 --> 01:01:12,839
that's how do we know that's different

1442
01:01:17,390 --> 01:01:15,000
just because we label remote viewing is

1443
01:01:18,890 --> 01:01:17,400
different than Obe then we make a

1444
01:01:22,190 --> 01:01:18,900
difference well this is part of the

1445
01:01:24,710 --> 01:01:22,200
problem and so that was why I'm offering

1446
01:01:26,210 --> 01:01:24,720
a vocabulary as a starting point I'm not

1447
01:01:29,210 --> 01:01:26,220
saying it's the be-all and the end-all

1448
01:01:31,670 --> 01:01:29,220
it's just as I started as a young doctor

1449
01:01:33,829 --> 01:01:31,680
because I started having as you

1450
01:01:36,650 --> 01:01:33,839
mentioned my first ndes starting one

1451
01:01:37,970 --> 01:01:36,660
when I was five one when I was 11. you

1452
01:01:40,069 --> 01:01:37,980
know I started having out of body

1453
01:01:41,870 --> 01:01:40,079
experiences I started seeing spirits and

1454
01:01:43,490 --> 01:01:41,880
ghosts when I was a child after my

1455
01:01:45,410 --> 01:01:43,500
near-death experience which we now know

1456
01:01:47,329 --> 01:01:45,420
is a common after effect and then my

1457
01:01:49,910 --> 01:01:47,339
Kundalini Awakening mystical experience

1458
01:01:52,250 --> 01:01:49,920
near-death experience I now have words

1459
01:01:54,530 --> 01:01:52,260
that I can use

1460
01:01:57,289 --> 01:01:54,540
to describe these and you at least have

1461
01:01:59,450 --> 01:01:57,299
an idea even if we don't know what it is

1462
01:02:01,930 --> 01:01:59,460
or what causes it or we can argue how we

1463
01:02:04,549 --> 01:02:01,940
interpret it at least we now have a

1464
01:02:07,130 --> 01:02:04,559
vocabulary that we can communicate about

1465
01:02:08,930 --> 01:02:07,140
it and that was what I've been trying to

1466
01:02:11,089 --> 01:02:08,940
do with my work with Touched By the

1467
01:02:14,750 --> 01:02:11,099
Light and in Soul lessons by the Light

1468
01:02:18,109 --> 01:02:14,760
yes I use the best words I can to

1469
01:02:19,549 --> 01:02:18,119
describe what I actually experienced but

1470
01:02:23,630 --> 01:02:19,559
you know the thing about these

1471
01:02:28,789 --> 01:02:23,640
experiences is that no matter how hard

1472
01:02:30,950 --> 01:02:28,799
we try Alex you can't fully describe an

1473
01:02:32,750 --> 01:02:30,960
experience with words you have to

1474
01:02:34,430 --> 01:02:32,760
experience it like what does an orange

1475
01:02:35,930 --> 01:02:34,440
taste like right what we're talking

1476
01:02:38,630 --> 01:02:35,940
about is trying to understand the best

1477
01:02:41,870 --> 01:02:38,640
we can because look I can read back what

1478
01:02:43,609 --> 01:02:41,880
you wrote what you told us and start

1479
01:02:44,690 --> 01:02:43,619
pulling it apart I mean even when we say

1480
01:02:48,829 --> 01:02:44,700
the other side

1481
01:02:50,750 --> 01:02:48,839
mean we use these terms when I talk to

1482
01:02:53,210 --> 01:02:50,760
Vince yeah when I talked to Vinnie

1483
01:02:55,190 --> 01:02:53,220
yesterday and I didn't have a chance to

1484
01:02:56,450 --> 01:02:55,200
push him on this one because there are

1485
01:03:00,109 --> 01:02:56,460
too many other things but he's like

1486
01:03:03,349 --> 01:03:00,119
heaven is a planet it's a physical place

1487
01:03:08,270 --> 01:03:03,359
it's a planet only the light reflects in

1488
01:03:10,930 --> 01:03:08,280
okay I'm like dude I I do not think that

1489
01:03:14,030 --> 01:03:10,940
really makes sense from a scientific

1490
01:03:16,370 --> 01:03:14,040
astrophysics I'm not totally dissing it

1491
01:03:18,770 --> 01:03:16,380
so then I talked to Ian McCormick and he

1492
01:03:21,349 --> 01:03:18,780
says I had a near-death experience I met

1493
01:03:24,650 --> 01:03:21,359
Jesus I go okay so you had to encounter

1494
01:03:26,809 --> 01:03:24,660
with Christ Consciousness no bro I met

1495
01:03:29,270 --> 01:03:26,819
Jesus and as a matter of fact if you

1496
01:03:30,910 --> 01:03:29,280
didn't meet Jesus in your nde then it's

1497
01:03:34,010 --> 01:03:30,920
probably satanic because I'm Christian

1498
01:03:36,289 --> 01:03:34,020
so all this stuff is how people

1499
01:03:38,210 --> 01:03:36,299
interpret it yeah well that's not

1500
01:03:41,089 --> 01:03:38,220
necessarily how they interpret it that's

1501
01:03:42,589 --> 01:03:41,099
that's my point is like to say that

1502
01:03:44,569 --> 01:03:42,599
that's how they interpret it is to

1503
01:03:46,190 --> 01:03:44,579
suggest that you understand it and they

1504
01:03:48,470 --> 01:03:46,200
don't I'm not saying that I understand

1505
01:03:51,950 --> 01:03:48,480
it and they don't but what I'm saying is

1506
01:03:53,990 --> 01:03:51,960
based on my 40 Years of research is that

1507
01:03:56,089 --> 01:03:54,000
I I share a story in my book there's

1508
01:03:58,190 --> 01:03:56,099
it's an Indian fable about a whole bunch

1509
01:03:59,870 --> 01:03:58,200
of blind kids watch washing an elephant

1510
01:04:01,730 --> 01:03:59,880
and they're each washing a different

1511
01:04:03,470 --> 01:04:01,740
part like one's washing a leg one's

1512
01:04:05,750 --> 01:04:03,480
washing a trunk one's washing a tail

1513
01:04:07,309 --> 01:04:05,760
one's washing the belly and so when they

1514
01:04:09,950 --> 01:04:07,319
their teacher says you know what does an

1515
01:04:11,870 --> 01:04:09,960
elephant look like they're all giving a

1516
01:04:14,870 --> 01:04:11,880
different description because the part

1517
01:04:16,490 --> 01:04:14,880
that they saw they're accurately to the

1518
01:04:18,650 --> 01:04:16,500
best of their ability

1519
01:04:21,530 --> 01:04:18,660
um describing and and this is what I've

1520
01:04:24,109 --> 01:04:21,540
come to understand about the not only

1521
01:04:25,910 --> 01:04:24,119
near-death experiences but the whole

1522
01:04:29,089 --> 01:04:25,920
range is spiritually transformative

1523
01:04:31,190 --> 01:04:29,099
experiences and and Ray Hernandez is I

1524
01:04:35,150 --> 01:04:31,200
call those trans-dimensional experiences

1525
01:04:36,589 --> 01:04:35,160
and um anyway and I include that as a

1526
01:04:40,130 --> 01:04:36,599
type of spiritually transformative

1527
01:04:43,910 --> 01:04:40,140
experience just to have a vocabulary

1528
01:04:46,630 --> 01:04:43,920
um so but there that the reality of the

1529
01:04:49,849 --> 01:04:46,640
the the the the the

1530
01:04:54,230 --> 01:04:49,859
multi-dimensional Consciousness Universe

1531
01:04:58,250 --> 01:04:54,240
living uh ecosystem infinite Lee broad

1532
01:05:00,410 --> 01:04:58,260
that we're living in is so vast that it

1533
01:05:02,210 --> 01:05:00,420
is it's like an ant trying to figure out

1534
01:05:04,250 --> 01:05:02,220
you know Einstein's theory of relativity

1535
01:05:07,370 --> 01:05:04,260
that's what I've come to understand we

1536
01:05:09,770 --> 01:05:07,380
actually aren't capable of understanding

1537
01:05:11,930 --> 01:05:09,780
the whole picture but what that's what

1538
01:05:15,770 --> 01:05:11,940
we're trying to do but but you know but

1539
01:05:17,510 --> 01:05:15,780
what we can do is share what we have

1540
01:05:19,309 --> 01:05:17,520
observed and that's what I'm doing this

1541
01:05:21,650 --> 01:05:19,319
is what I've learned this is what the

1542
01:05:25,490 --> 01:05:21,660
thousands of people I've spoken to you

1543
01:05:27,230 --> 01:05:25,500
know and my I'll say this that that I'm

1544
01:05:28,970 --> 01:05:27,240
glad that you pointed this out because I

1545
01:05:29,750 --> 01:05:28,980
think this is very important in this

1546
01:05:33,410 --> 01:05:29,760
field

1547
01:05:37,309 --> 01:05:33,420
we have to always be prepared to be

1548
01:05:40,309 --> 01:05:37,319
flexible with new information and expand

1549
01:05:43,690 --> 01:05:40,319
our understanding right I I think Ray

1550
01:05:46,910 --> 01:05:43,700
Hernandez is a great example because

1551
01:05:48,589 --> 01:05:46,920
uh in my early years of research and

1552
01:05:51,049 --> 01:05:48,599
spiritually transformative experiences

1553
01:05:53,930 --> 01:05:51,059
the people that I encountered who had

1554
01:05:56,210 --> 01:05:53,940
had UFO and T encounters who came to me

1555
01:05:57,349 --> 01:05:56,220
as a patient or matinee at conferences

1556
01:06:01,010 --> 01:05:57,359
or whatever

1557
01:06:02,390 --> 01:06:01,020
all reported it being very traumatic you

1558
01:06:04,490 --> 01:06:02,400
know that it felt like an abduction

1559
01:06:06,710 --> 01:06:04,500
experience they wish it had never

1560
01:06:08,930 --> 01:06:06,720
happened it was very traumatic in their

1561
01:06:10,730 --> 01:06:08,940
life uh there didn't seem to be anything

1562
01:06:13,430 --> 01:06:10,740
uplifting

1563
01:06:15,470 --> 01:06:13,440
Are Spiritual about it at all it was

1564
01:06:17,329 --> 01:06:15,480
like being raped you know that it was

1565
01:06:19,370 --> 01:06:17,339
like it felt like some of them were

1566
01:06:22,789 --> 01:06:19,380
raped yeah and some of them were raped

1567
01:06:24,890 --> 01:06:22,799
and and so this is a real phenomenon and

1568
01:06:27,170 --> 01:06:24,900
this is what I mean about not calling

1569
01:06:29,329 --> 01:06:27,180
everything the same thing and not

1570
01:06:32,170 --> 01:06:29,339
everybody has the same experience okay

1571
01:06:37,069 --> 01:06:32,180
hold on hold on who healed the dog

1572
01:06:40,690 --> 01:06:37,079
no that's right we don't we don't know

1573
01:06:44,930 --> 01:06:40,700
if we don't know then why are we saying

1574
01:06:47,450 --> 01:06:44,940
God uh God did this uh the spirits gave

1575
01:06:49,549 --> 01:06:47,460
me this Choice Yogananda was there and

1576
01:06:52,370 --> 01:06:49,559
he said you got the free will to do this

1577
01:06:55,190 --> 01:06:52,380
or that if we don't know then we don't

1578
01:06:57,170 --> 01:06:55,200
know goes all the way down oh yeah it's

1579
01:07:00,170 --> 01:06:57,180
not an end it's the beginning of the

1580
01:07:01,930 --> 01:07:00,180
discussion it's it's an introduction to

1581
01:07:04,970 --> 01:07:01,940
the fact that we live in a

1582
01:07:08,150 --> 01:07:04,980
multi-dimensional universe and just like

1583
01:07:09,950 --> 01:07:08,160
we you know way way way back when people

1584
01:07:12,230 --> 01:07:09,960
used to think that the Earth was the

1585
01:07:13,970 --> 01:07:12,240
center of the universe and that all the

1586
01:07:15,710 --> 01:07:13,980
plant the sun went around it and that

1587
01:07:18,349 --> 01:07:15,720
there was no life anywhere else or

1588
01:07:20,510 --> 01:07:18,359
whatever and we now realize oh gosh you

1589
01:07:22,970 --> 01:07:20,520
know we're in a solar system and we're

1590
01:07:25,250 --> 01:07:22,980
in a galaxy and guess what there are

1591
01:07:27,890 --> 01:07:25,260
other galaxies that have other Suns and

1592
01:07:30,109 --> 01:07:27,900
other planets and you know and oh gosh

1593
01:07:32,210 --> 01:07:30,119
you know with Star Treks and Star Wars I

1594
01:07:34,789 --> 01:07:32,220
think most people of Our Generation have

1595
01:07:37,010 --> 01:07:34,799
pretty well figured out you know there's

1596
01:07:39,230 --> 01:07:37,020
probably other life out there it's not

1597
01:07:41,569 --> 01:07:39,240
that we're the only life there is but

1598
01:07:43,910 --> 01:07:41,579
even at that we're only talking on our

1599
01:07:46,010 --> 01:07:43,920
physical Dimension what we're now

1600
01:07:47,329 --> 01:07:46,020
learning through

1601
01:07:49,069 --> 01:07:47,339
um increase I'm going to call it

1602
01:07:50,809 --> 01:07:49,079
increased awareness about near-death

1603
01:07:53,210 --> 01:07:50,819
experiences and mystical experiences

1604
01:07:54,589 --> 01:07:53,220
because the the yogis and Buddhist

1605
01:07:56,450 --> 01:07:54,599
addicts they've been talking about this

1606
01:07:59,510 --> 01:07:56,460
for thousands of years that we're living

1607
01:08:01,849 --> 01:07:59,520
in a multi-dimensional universe and that

1608
01:08:04,549 --> 01:08:01,859
we're only perceiving a small fragment

1609
01:08:08,750 --> 01:08:04,559
of of the multi-dimensionality of

1610
01:08:12,349 --> 01:08:08,760
reality and um so so so this is how I've

1611
01:08:13,430 --> 01:08:12,359
come to understand it is that and that

1612
01:08:15,349 --> 01:08:13,440
there are

1613
01:08:17,570 --> 01:08:15,359
you know in the ocean how you have

1614
01:08:19,610 --> 01:08:17,580
different levels that Veer that near the

1615
01:08:21,470 --> 01:08:19,620
top of the ocean the water is the

1616
01:08:23,329 --> 01:08:21,480
sunlight reaches and you go further down

1617
01:08:24,709 --> 01:08:23,339
and the water's heavier and the sunlight

1618
01:08:26,329 --> 01:08:24,719
doesn't reach there and you go even

1619
01:08:28,669 --> 01:08:26,339
further down and the water is even

1620
01:08:31,849 --> 01:08:28,679
heavier and there's less oxygen and no

1621
01:08:34,729 --> 01:08:31,859
light and that you have different

1622
01:08:37,010 --> 01:08:34,739
um animals creatures beans microbes

1623
01:08:40,550 --> 01:08:37,020
whatever living at each of these

1624
01:08:42,829 --> 01:08:40,560
different layers that that um that I

1625
01:08:45,709 --> 01:08:42,839
think that that's a little bit of an

1626
01:08:48,349 --> 01:08:45,719
analogy for understanding uh what people

1627
01:08:50,930 --> 01:08:48,359
experience what you call the other side

1628
01:08:52,849 --> 01:08:50,940
or very Loosely people are calling the

1629
01:08:55,490 --> 01:08:52,859
other side it's not just one place

1630
01:08:57,050 --> 01:08:55,500
there's many dimensions we can go

1631
01:08:58,550 --> 01:08:57,060
they're going into the ocean my God

1632
01:08:59,930 --> 01:08:58,560
there's many oceans you've been

1633
01:09:01,729 --> 01:08:59,940
different heights you can be in

1634
01:09:03,470 --> 01:09:01,739
different places all over the planet

1635
01:09:05,269 --> 01:09:03,480
what you're going to see is different

1636
01:09:07,550 --> 01:09:05,279
depending where you are in this massive

1637
01:09:09,530 --> 01:09:07,560
ocean and Consciousness and the

1638
01:09:11,809 --> 01:09:09,540
multi-dimensional universe is much

1639
01:09:14,930 --> 01:09:11,819
faster than that so there there are

1640
01:09:18,070 --> 01:09:14,940
there I think we're we're we're like uh

1641
01:09:21,530 --> 01:09:18,080
in our School of Life

1642
01:09:23,809 --> 01:09:21,540
where uh human beings are now as a

1643
01:09:26,930 --> 01:09:23,819
species I'm saying collectively as a

1644
01:09:28,970 --> 01:09:26,940
species on this planet that we're in a

1645
01:09:30,890 --> 01:09:28,980
stage in yoga they call them yugas or

1646
01:09:32,570 --> 01:09:30,900
ages so we're in a sort of an upwards

1647
01:09:35,030 --> 01:09:32,580
beginning of an upward yoga according to

1648
01:09:36,950 --> 01:09:35,040
yoga which is a time of Spiritual

1649
01:09:38,510 --> 01:09:36,960
Awakening um you know one of the things

1650
01:09:41,030 --> 01:09:38,520
that I've done in the last couple years

1651
01:09:44,630 --> 01:09:41,040
is I founded a new organization called

1652
01:09:48,169 --> 01:09:44,640
spiritual Awakenings International

1653
01:09:50,150 --> 01:09:48,179
um to raise awareness about the whole

1654
01:09:52,669 --> 01:09:50,160
spectrum of spiritually transformative

1655
01:09:54,950 --> 01:09:52,679
experiences and not to say that we have

1656
01:09:57,709 --> 01:09:54,960
the answer because we don't

1657
01:09:59,150 --> 01:09:57,719
but what it does what we do with

1658
01:10:01,070 --> 01:09:59,160
spiritual weakness International we

1659
01:10:04,070 --> 01:10:01,080
provide a place where people like Ray

1660
01:10:08,150 --> 01:10:04,080
Hernandez or myself or other n to e

1661
01:10:10,189 --> 01:10:08,160
experiencers other Ste experiencers of

1662
01:10:13,070 --> 01:10:10,199
various types can share what they've

1663
01:10:15,290 --> 01:10:13,080
experienced what they've learned and it

1664
01:10:17,090 --> 01:10:15,300
normalizes it for other people because

1665
01:10:19,970 --> 01:10:17,100
whether we like it or not whether we

1666
01:10:21,890 --> 01:10:19,980
understand it or not there are a lot of

1667
01:10:24,649 --> 01:10:21,900
people all over the planet and because

1668
01:10:26,450 --> 01:10:24,659
right now we have people from 78

1669
01:10:28,250 --> 01:10:26,460
countries subscribe to spiritual weight

1670
01:10:29,390 --> 01:10:28,260
News International in just two and a

1671
01:10:32,090 --> 01:10:29,400
half years I mean which is pretty

1672
01:10:34,610 --> 01:10:32,100
phenomenal which to me indicates that

1673
01:10:37,370 --> 01:10:34,620
people all over the world are having

1674
01:10:40,010 --> 01:10:37,380
these Awakenings in Consciousness and

1675
01:10:42,649 --> 01:10:40,020
Gopi Krishna hypothesized again we have

1676
01:10:45,229 --> 01:10:42,659
no proof but Gopi Crystal hypothesized

1677
01:10:48,530 --> 01:10:45,239
he thought this was like the next

1678
01:10:50,090 --> 01:10:48,540
evolutionary stage for human beings so

1679
01:10:53,570 --> 01:10:50,100
that you know the evolution is still

1680
01:10:55,189 --> 01:10:53,580
going on and that um rather than you

1681
01:10:57,470 --> 01:10:55,199
know growing another arm or leg or

1682
01:10:59,510 --> 01:10:57,480
losing an armor I think which over

1683
01:11:00,950 --> 01:10:59,520
thousands of years supposedly these

1684
01:11:02,649 --> 01:11:00,960
sorts of things happen to animals and

1685
01:11:05,810 --> 01:11:02,659
creatures morph with

1686
01:11:07,910 --> 01:11:05,820
Evolution that what's happening on the

1687
01:11:09,410 --> 01:11:07,920
human species is evolution of

1688
01:11:13,310 --> 01:11:09,420
consciousness

1689
01:11:16,130 --> 01:11:13,320
again just look at it from another

1690
01:11:18,350 --> 01:11:16,140
perspective a skeptico is about inquiry

1691
01:11:20,270 --> 01:11:18,360
to perpetuate doubt doubt is the

1692
01:11:22,610 --> 01:11:20,280
ultimate spiritual tool it's the

1693
01:11:25,550 --> 01:11:22,620
ultimate laser that cuts through because

1694
01:11:28,010 --> 01:11:25,560
our hearts are the same Ivan it's about

1695
01:11:31,430 --> 01:11:28,020
God it's about the light it's about the

1696
01:11:34,070 --> 01:11:31,440
Ultimate Reality of love but to get

1697
01:11:36,110 --> 01:11:34,080
there we have to kind of do the cleaning

1698
01:11:38,229 --> 01:11:36,120
work the cleaning work of our soul it's

1699
01:11:41,390 --> 01:11:38,239
the difference between quieting the mind

1700
01:11:43,669 --> 01:11:41,400
and listening to the voice so it's

1701
01:11:45,050 --> 01:11:43,679
listening to the voice and quieting The

1702
01:11:47,330 --> 01:11:45,060
Voice both at the same time they're

1703
01:11:49,729 --> 01:11:47,340
contradictory but that's Yoga Yoga is

1704
01:11:50,570 --> 01:11:49,739
always a contradiction so here's the

1705
01:11:54,350 --> 01:11:50,580
thing

1706
01:11:56,390 --> 01:11:54,360
talk to Mary Rodwell has worked with

1707
01:11:59,689 --> 01:11:56,400
since at this point of people who've had

1708
01:12:01,130 --> 01:11:59,699
these encounters with ET one of the

1709
01:12:05,149 --> 01:12:01,140
things that comes through over and over

1710
01:12:08,209 --> 01:12:05,159
again is ongoing genetic manipulation by

1711
01:12:10,010 --> 01:12:08,219
multiple species multiple beings from

1712
01:12:12,410 --> 01:12:10,020
different places coming down genetic

1713
01:12:16,149 --> 01:12:12,420
manipulation look in the genetic record

1714
01:12:20,630 --> 01:12:16,159
Bruce Fenton has been on who's to say

1715
01:12:23,330 --> 01:12:20,640
how Consciousness God manifests and in

1716
01:12:25,729 --> 01:12:23,340
particular if we look at E.T we seem to

1717
01:12:28,250 --> 01:12:25,739
have evidence that they're kind of

1718
01:12:32,689 --> 01:12:28,260
mixing the human non-human biological

1719
01:12:34,669 --> 01:12:32,699
kind of thing so that is my pushback and

1720
01:12:36,709 --> 01:12:34,679
but that is the challenge if you are

1721
01:12:38,930 --> 01:12:36,719
open to the challenge which I truly

1722
01:12:41,510 --> 01:12:38,940
respect but I'm going to keep nudging

1723
01:12:44,570 --> 01:12:41,520
you when we start saying you know Gopi

1724
01:12:46,610 --> 01:12:44,580
Krishna says this well he's wrong he's

1725
01:12:48,410 --> 01:12:46,620
wrong because of this we prove that I'm

1726
01:12:51,050 --> 01:12:48,420
saying it's his opinion and we can't

1727
01:12:52,790 --> 01:12:51,060
prove it or disprove it but but what I

1728
01:12:55,130 --> 01:12:52,800
can say is this what I can say

1729
01:12:57,350 --> 01:12:55,140
definitely from my personal experience

1730
01:12:58,810 --> 01:12:57,360
and with the experience of spiritual

1731
01:13:02,270 --> 01:12:58,820
Awakenings International

1732
01:13:05,090 --> 01:13:02,280
that people all over the world

1733
01:13:07,430 --> 01:13:05,100
all over the world all countries all

1734
01:13:10,669 --> 01:13:07,440
backgrounds all religions no religion

1735
01:13:12,850 --> 01:13:10,679
male female in between whatever

1736
01:13:15,290 --> 01:13:12,860
are having

1737
01:13:18,110 --> 01:13:15,300
various types of spiritually

1738
01:13:20,810 --> 01:13:18,120
transformative experiences why this is

1739
01:13:24,350 --> 01:13:20,820
happening we do not know but what I can

1740
01:13:27,050 --> 01:13:24,360
say is it's happening and it appears to

1741
01:13:29,570 --> 01:13:27,060
me that it's accelerate now that may not

1742
01:13:32,030 --> 01:13:29,580
be true maybe that maybe that's a

1743
01:13:34,850 --> 01:13:32,040
misperception maybe it's just that we're

1744
01:13:36,530 --> 01:13:34,860
more aware of it now because of the

1745
01:13:38,330 --> 01:13:36,540
internet and that we can you know

1746
01:13:39,649 --> 01:13:38,340
everyone all over the world can get on

1747
01:13:42,110 --> 01:13:39,659
the internet and come to the meetings

1748
01:13:43,850 --> 01:13:42,120
and say guess what I'm in in Africa

1749
01:13:45,530 --> 01:13:43,860
somewhere and this is happening to me

1750
01:13:47,450 --> 01:13:45,540
and someone says well I'm in Japan and

1751
01:13:49,430 --> 01:13:47,460
this is happening to me and someone else

1752
01:13:51,590 --> 01:13:49,440
in South America says well I've had a

1753
01:13:53,810 --> 01:13:51,600
very similar experience

1754
01:13:55,970 --> 01:13:53,820
all I can say is it is happening to

1755
01:13:58,189 --> 01:13:55,980
people all over the world

1756
01:13:59,870 --> 01:13:58,199
um by scientifically because you you

1757
01:14:01,490 --> 01:13:59,880
describe me as a scientist and a doctor

1758
01:14:04,370 --> 01:14:01,500
and all of those things which is true

1759
01:14:06,950 --> 01:14:04,380
and a yogi which is true the most uh

1760
01:14:09,830 --> 01:14:06,960
another very very important descriptor

1761
01:14:13,250 --> 01:14:09,840
that I use for myself is an experiencer

1762
01:14:14,630 --> 01:14:13,260
I know I use that term and

1763
01:14:17,990 --> 01:14:14,640
um

1764
01:14:22,610 --> 01:14:18,000
when I was younger in my medical career

1765
01:14:25,370 --> 01:14:22,620
it was more important to me at that time

1766
01:14:29,090 --> 01:14:25,380
than it is now to

1767
01:14:31,610 --> 01:14:29,100
um scientifically uh corroborate you

1768
01:14:33,890 --> 01:14:31,620
know and and have all the references and

1769
01:14:37,250 --> 01:14:33,900
the research studies Etc

1770
01:14:41,209 --> 01:14:37,260
I'm at a point in my life as a senior

1771
01:14:44,030 --> 01:14:41,219
now and I've had so many experiences

1772
01:14:46,669 --> 01:14:44,040
and as a yogi as a yoga practitioner

1773
01:14:49,970 --> 01:14:46,679
I've been practicing yoga for 45 years

1774
01:14:53,810 --> 01:14:49,980
and meditating now is that the only

1775
01:14:57,530 --> 01:14:53,820
thing I can be absolutely certain of is

1776
01:14:59,810 --> 01:14:57,540
what I personally have experienced yeah

1777
01:15:01,970 --> 01:14:59,820
that's not good enough it's just not

1778
01:15:04,790 --> 01:15:01,980
good enough so when I hear experiencers

1779
01:15:06,709 --> 01:15:04,800
talk about their experience and then say

1780
01:15:09,709 --> 01:15:06,719
that's all I can share is my experience

1781
01:15:12,410 --> 01:15:09,719
tell us how your experience relates to

1782
01:15:14,570 --> 01:15:12,420
everyone else's that's what I've done

1783
01:15:17,510 --> 01:15:14,580
with my books but the point that I'm

1784
01:15:19,970 --> 01:15:17,520
trying to make is that in the end when I

1785
01:15:22,850 --> 01:15:19,980
go to sleep at night just for me

1786
01:15:26,030 --> 01:15:22,860
personally the bottom line is what I've

1787
01:15:28,610 --> 01:15:26,040
learned from all of my experiences and

1788
01:15:30,790 --> 01:15:28,620
all of my research but the one that I

1789
01:15:34,790 --> 01:15:30,800
mean I'm telling you this is

1790
01:15:37,130 --> 01:15:34,800
most powerful is having had the

1791
01:15:40,729 --> 01:15:37,140
experience of being dead of being on the

1792
01:15:44,510 --> 01:15:40,739
other side of being loved and knowing

1793
01:15:46,910 --> 01:15:44,520
that I am love and and you know the

1794
01:15:48,530 --> 01:15:46,920
research is interesting the data is

1795
01:15:51,830 --> 01:15:48,540
interesting and I I get it you're

1796
01:15:54,709 --> 01:15:51,840
pushing it on skeptico but

1797
01:15:57,830 --> 01:15:54,719
to me as an experiencer that's sort of

1798
01:15:59,870 --> 01:15:57,840
where where it ends is that I know that

1799
01:16:01,910 --> 01:15:59,880
we are all loved whether we understand

1800
01:16:03,590 --> 01:16:01,920
the divine plan whether we even have it

1801
01:16:06,189 --> 01:16:03,600
to policy and understand the divine plan

1802
01:16:08,810 --> 01:16:06,199
whether our research even has the

1803
01:16:10,490 --> 01:16:08,820
capacity to answer some of these

1804
01:16:14,930 --> 01:16:10,500
questions that you're asking I think

1805
01:16:18,229 --> 01:16:14,940
probably we don't how how you can even

1806
01:16:20,930 --> 01:16:18,239
figure out what questions to ask I think

1807
01:16:23,149 --> 01:16:20,940
you have to really listen to

1808
01:16:26,090 --> 01:16:23,159
experiencers or be an experiencer

1809
01:16:28,550 --> 01:16:26,100
yourself to even know what questions to

1810
01:16:30,649 --> 01:16:28,560
ask when you're doing your research the

1811
01:16:34,610 --> 01:16:30,659
other problem with the experiencer thing

1812
01:16:38,090 --> 01:16:34,620
is that it blows past the obvious fact

1813
01:16:40,729 --> 01:16:38,100
that we're all experiencers we are to

1814
01:16:43,010 --> 01:16:40,739
some degree we all have the voice inside

1815
01:16:45,709 --> 01:16:43,020
our head I have the voice inside my head

1816
01:16:47,750 --> 01:16:45,719
I have instant answers to questions when

1817
01:16:50,270 --> 01:16:47,760
I can really quiet the mind so I don't

1818
01:16:53,090 --> 01:16:50,280
know how that is different but everybody

1819
01:16:54,709 --> 01:16:53,100
does everybody does so I don't know how

1820
01:16:57,590 --> 01:16:54,719
that is different than your experience

1821
01:17:00,110 --> 01:16:57,600
but I want to know but that's part of

1822
01:17:04,070 --> 01:17:00,120
the process so when the experiencer says

1823
01:17:07,310 --> 01:17:04,080
this is my experience it's like bring

1824
01:17:09,050 --> 01:17:07,320
forth your experience as it relates to

1825
01:17:10,669 --> 01:17:09,060
other experiences here's here's an

1826
01:17:12,229 --> 01:17:10,679
example I'll go with the Jesus thing

1827
01:17:13,970 --> 01:17:12,239
because I love the Jesus thing because

1828
01:17:17,330 --> 01:17:13,980
you let Christians off the hook way too

1829
01:17:19,790 --> 01:17:17,340
much so Jesus versus historical Jesus

1830
01:17:21,830 --> 01:17:19,800
versus Christ Consciousness and then the

1831
01:17:23,689 --> 01:17:21,840
follow-on questioned is well why did

1832
01:17:25,430 --> 01:17:23,699
those uh why did those Catholics rape

1833
01:17:27,410 --> 01:17:25,440
all those little kids and why do we let

1834
01:17:29,209 --> 01:17:27,420
them off the hook why do we why do we

1835
01:17:32,209 --> 01:17:29,219
still have such a thing as a Catholic

1836
01:17:34,930 --> 01:17:32,219
Church well there's evil and it doesn't

1837
01:17:37,910 --> 01:17:34,940
it doesn't connect to this thing we call

1838
01:17:41,209 --> 01:17:37,920
Christianity this institution we have a

1839
01:17:42,649 --> 01:17:41,219
historical Jesus really do are we to

1840
01:17:44,570 --> 01:17:42,659
believe that we have the historical

1841
01:17:46,550 --> 01:17:44,580
Jesus do we have to prove that does it

1842
01:17:49,189 --> 01:17:46,560
matter does it should it matter to you

1843
01:17:52,070 --> 01:17:49,199
as a Christian these are re so these are

1844
01:17:54,890 --> 01:17:52,080
questions so you're an experiencer great

1845
01:17:57,169 --> 01:17:54,900
answer those questions Jesus historical

1846
01:17:59,390 --> 01:17:57,179
Jesus Christ Consciousness let's let's

1847
01:18:02,990 --> 01:17:59,400
get on those Christians let's not be

1848
01:18:05,209 --> 01:18:03,000
let's not be accepting of and loving of

1849
01:18:07,130 --> 01:18:05,219
everyone's religious tradition because

1850
01:18:08,510 --> 01:18:07,140
it's a mixed bag some of it's good some

1851
01:18:11,209 --> 01:18:08,520
of it's bad

1852
01:18:12,490 --> 01:18:11,219
was there historical Jesus I believe

1853
01:18:16,990 --> 01:18:12,500
there was

1854
01:18:23,149 --> 01:18:20,930
misunderstood and misinterpreted yes is

1855
01:18:25,729 --> 01:18:23,159
there a mixture of good and Corruption

1856
01:18:27,950 --> 01:18:25,739
within pretty well every organized

1857
01:18:31,189 --> 01:18:27,960
religion in the world I've got all that

1858
01:18:34,310 --> 01:18:31,199
but on historical Jesus thing what

1859
01:18:37,070 --> 01:18:34,320
evidence convinces you that the

1860
01:18:40,130 --> 01:18:37,080
historical Jesus narrative that is in

1861
01:18:42,709 --> 01:18:40,140
the Bible is anywhere close to Accurate

1862
01:18:44,570 --> 01:18:42,719
well I'm not saying it was accurate but

1863
01:18:46,910 --> 01:18:44,580
I'm saying that a historical Jesus

1864
01:18:49,490 --> 01:18:46,920
existed and and you won't like my answer

1865
01:18:51,169 --> 01:18:49,500
but I'll tell you the truth and I

1866
01:18:54,250 --> 01:18:51,179
mention it in my book maybe you didn't

1867
01:18:57,950 --> 01:18:54,260
get to that chapter it was the direct

1868
01:19:00,770 --> 01:18:57,960
first-hand experience that I had when I

1869
01:19:03,410 --> 01:19:00,780
traveled to Israel in 2000.

1870
01:19:06,410 --> 01:19:03,420
I I had you know I was raised a

1871
01:19:08,630 --> 01:19:06,420
Christian I was taught you know I was

1872
01:19:11,330 --> 01:19:08,640
told all the stories Etc I didn't know

1873
01:19:13,430 --> 01:19:11,340
if it was true or not what I did know to

1874
01:19:15,890 --> 01:19:13,440
be true is what I experienced on the

1875
01:19:18,110 --> 01:19:15,900
other side that the higher power as I

1876
01:19:20,510 --> 01:19:18,120
experienced it was not anything like

1877
01:19:22,189 --> 01:19:20,520
what I'd been taught in my church that

1878
01:19:24,350 --> 01:19:22,199
the higher power was light was not an

1879
01:19:26,630 --> 01:19:24,360
old man with a Long White Beard judging

1880
01:19:29,450 --> 01:19:26,640
me are you goody bad so you know that

1881
01:19:30,890 --> 01:19:29,460
was at an early age that was I was 26

1882
01:19:32,689 --> 01:19:30,900
when that happened so that's still

1883
01:19:34,669 --> 01:19:32,699
pretty young it's like okay you know

1884
01:19:37,370 --> 01:19:34,679
what I'd been taught about God or the

1885
01:19:40,310 --> 01:19:37,380
higher power I'm experiencing something

1886
01:19:43,610 --> 01:19:40,320
completely different so you know I was

1887
01:19:45,530 --> 01:19:43,620
open to that you know maybe who knows

1888
01:19:48,830 --> 01:19:45,540
who knows what's real about historical

1889
01:19:51,229 --> 01:19:48,840
Jesus but the message of love I thought

1890
01:19:53,990 --> 01:19:51,239
was banging on the message of love one

1891
01:19:56,810 --> 01:19:54,000
another and forgive forgive

1892
01:19:58,610 --> 01:19:56,820
7 times 77 or whatever the number is

1893
01:20:00,770 --> 01:19:58,620
like that in my heart absolutely

1894
01:20:02,930 --> 01:20:00,780
resonated as truth and with what I

1895
01:20:05,570 --> 01:20:02,940
experienced of the higher Powers love on

1896
01:20:07,910 --> 01:20:05,580
the other side when I traveled to to

1897
01:20:10,370 --> 01:20:07,920
Israel in 2000 I was actually on a

1898
01:20:12,770 --> 01:20:10,380
medical conference on a on a cruise ship

1899
01:20:15,890 --> 01:20:12,780
Mediterranean and we had ports of call

1900
01:20:17,570 --> 01:20:15,900
in Israel and in Egypt and

1901
01:20:20,149 --> 01:20:17,580
um you know I thought okay I'll go to

1902
01:20:23,090 --> 01:20:20,159
some of these historical sites I really

1903
01:20:25,370 --> 01:20:23,100
was not I wasn't even sure if they were

1904
01:20:27,470 --> 01:20:25,380
accurately located like the cruise

1905
01:20:29,689 --> 01:20:27,480
director said you know they may or may

1906
01:20:32,689 --> 01:20:29,699
not be historically accurate this is

1907
01:20:34,490 --> 01:20:32,699
supposedly where Jesus for example did

1908
01:20:36,470 --> 01:20:34,500
The Sermon on the Mount some people

1909
01:20:38,810 --> 01:20:36,480
think it is some people think it isn't

1910
01:20:40,189 --> 01:20:38,820
so okay I went there to to go to this

1911
01:20:49,130 --> 01:20:40,199
particular site

1912
01:20:51,649 --> 01:20:49,140
I had a most profound intense

1913
01:20:54,050 --> 01:20:51,659
spiritual experience a type of mystical

1914
01:20:55,669 --> 01:20:54,060
experience it was like I just

1915
01:20:58,550 --> 01:20:55,679
felt

1916
01:21:01,010 --> 01:20:58,560
um like like this Force

1917
01:21:04,189 --> 01:21:01,020
descended upon me but it wasn't just a

1918
01:21:07,250 --> 01:21:04,199
force of love it was like a

1919
01:21:09,290 --> 01:21:07,260
almost like a trial by fire it was like

1920
01:21:12,770 --> 01:21:09,300
I was being purified I was being

1921
01:21:16,070 --> 01:21:12,780
cleansed I was my my heart was being

1922
01:21:17,390 --> 01:21:16,080
opened it was like my own

1923
01:21:20,090 --> 01:21:17,400
um you know people would use the word

1924
01:21:22,669 --> 01:21:20,100
evil but you know whatever Darkness was

1925
01:21:25,370 --> 01:21:22,679
inside of me it was like literally I I

1926
01:21:28,070 --> 01:21:25,380
felt like my heart was opening and I was

1927
01:21:31,850 --> 01:21:28,080
crying and it was it was it it was

1928
01:21:33,470 --> 01:21:31,860
almost a combination of of tears of

1929
01:21:36,709 --> 01:21:33,480
Shame

1930
01:21:39,169 --> 01:21:36,719
and tears of gratitude is that that oh

1931
01:21:40,970 --> 01:21:39,179
my goodness you know the the parts of me

1932
01:21:42,530 --> 01:21:40,980
that had been unloving were the parts of

1933
01:21:45,649 --> 01:21:42,540
me that had been

1934
01:21:47,750 --> 01:21:45,659
um unforgiving were the parts of me that

1935
01:21:50,570 --> 01:21:47,760
that you know I really could have been

1936
01:21:52,790 --> 01:21:50,580
Kinder it was like that was all sort of

1937
01:21:54,709 --> 01:21:52,800
being exposed and cleansed at the same

1938
01:21:59,149 --> 01:21:54,719
time and sort of opening my heart the

1939
01:22:02,990 --> 01:21:59,159
energy of the healing profound found

1940
01:22:07,850 --> 01:22:03,000
energy I was feeling and then

1941
01:22:11,810 --> 01:22:07,860
just a knowing oh my gosh

1942
01:22:14,770 --> 01:22:11,820
this is the correct spot this is this

1943
01:22:18,290 --> 01:22:14,780
healing this love this incredible love

1944
01:22:19,970 --> 01:22:18,300
vibration of Jesus is still on this spot

1945
01:22:23,750 --> 01:22:19,980
and it's like

1946
01:22:26,630 --> 01:22:23,760
yeah he existed and he was here now you

1947
01:22:28,850 --> 01:22:26,640
might say that's all subjective but I'm

1948
01:22:31,750 --> 01:22:28,860
basing it on what I experienced there

1949
01:22:34,610 --> 01:22:31,760
it's like it was a profound

1950
01:22:37,430 --> 01:22:34,620
life-changing heart-opening experience

1951
01:22:39,830 --> 01:22:37,440
that happened spontaneously when I was

1952
01:22:41,750 --> 01:22:39,840
not expecting it and

1953
01:22:44,149 --> 01:22:41,760
um when I went to

1954
01:22:46,729 --> 01:22:44,159
um Jerusalem the next day on the shore

1955
01:22:47,870 --> 01:22:46,739
Excursion and just because we're running

1956
01:22:49,370 --> 01:22:47,880
out of time

1957
01:22:52,010 --> 01:22:49,380
um I'm going to just say it very very

1958
01:22:55,490 --> 01:22:52,020
briefly and I describe it in the book at

1959
01:22:57,950 --> 01:22:55,500
at the Crucifixion site there was a slab

1960
01:23:00,169 --> 01:22:57,960
of rock where they supposedly had lay in

1961
01:23:02,270 --> 01:23:00,179
the body of Jesus historical Jesus after

1962
01:23:04,430 --> 01:23:02,280
he was taken down from the cross and

1963
01:23:06,590 --> 01:23:04,440
again maybe it's the right rock baby

1964
01:23:10,010 --> 01:23:06,600
it's not the right knock who knows but

1965
01:23:11,810 --> 01:23:10,020
I'm very having had multiple ndes and a

1966
01:23:13,610 --> 01:23:11,820
Kundalini way thing I'm very clear

1967
01:23:17,090 --> 01:23:13,620
sentient when I touch things I will

1968
01:23:18,770 --> 01:23:17,100
often get information and so I decided

1969
01:23:21,470 --> 01:23:18,780
to kneel down and to touch this

1970
01:23:24,830 --> 01:23:21,480
particular Rock and

1971
01:23:27,590 --> 01:23:24,840
I immediately went into a profound

1972
01:23:29,570 --> 01:23:27,600
mystical experience I have to tell you I

1973
01:23:32,450 --> 01:23:29,580
go around touching rocks a lot I don't

1974
01:23:34,430 --> 01:23:32,460
pop into physical experiences I go

1975
01:23:36,110 --> 01:23:34,440
sightseeing a lot I don't just pop into

1976
01:23:38,630 --> 01:23:36,120
these profound mystical experiences I

1977
01:23:41,750 --> 01:23:38,640
mean these were life-changing mystical

1978
01:23:44,090 --> 01:23:41,760
experiences at two spots that were that

1979
01:23:48,290 --> 01:23:44,100
were claimed to have been associated

1980
01:23:51,470 --> 01:23:48,300
with historical Jesus so to me now you

1981
01:23:55,370 --> 01:23:51,480
asked me do I think historical Jesus

1982
01:23:57,649 --> 01:23:55,380
actually existed and I say yes based on

1983
01:24:00,410 --> 01:23:57,659
those two experiences that I had in

1984
01:24:02,570 --> 01:24:00,420
Israel were his teachings completely

1985
01:24:04,010 --> 01:24:02,580
probably misinterpreted see that's the

1986
01:24:05,930 --> 01:24:04,020
problem that doesn't really have

1987
01:24:07,010 --> 01:24:05,940
anything to do with the historical I

1988
01:24:09,350 --> 01:24:07,020
mean it could

1989
01:24:11,750 --> 01:24:09,360
it could be complete consistent with the

1990
01:24:13,250 --> 01:24:11,760
historical Jesus and it could not one of

1991
01:24:15,950 --> 01:24:13,260
the interviews I really appreciated a

1992
01:24:19,189 --> 01:24:15,960
long time ago was Jurgen Zeba it was an

1993
01:24:20,990 --> 01:24:19,199
incredible Mystic and he tells a story

1994
01:24:22,610 --> 01:24:21,000
about going to Greece and going to that

1995
01:24:25,790 --> 01:24:22,620
island where the monks were all there

1996
01:24:28,970 --> 01:24:25,800
and the guy lowers the the chandelier

1997
01:24:31,310 --> 01:24:28,980
down and it reveals this icon and I was

1998
01:24:33,290 --> 01:24:31,320
brought up Greek Orthodox and the tears

1999
01:24:35,090 --> 01:24:33,300
are just flowing and he's having this

2000
01:24:36,530 --> 01:24:35,100
christ-consciousness experience you know

2001
01:24:39,350 --> 01:24:36,540
and it's beautiful it comes back the

2002
01:24:41,870 --> 01:24:39,360
next day and then I go but Jurgen you're

2003
01:24:45,950 --> 01:24:41,880
not Christian he goes yeah no I'm still

2004
01:24:47,990 --> 01:24:45,960
not Christian you know God it's totally

2005
01:24:49,610 --> 01:24:48,000
understandable also from a Buddhist

2006
01:24:51,890 --> 01:24:49,620
perspective from a tulpa perspective

2007
01:24:53,990 --> 01:24:51,900
it's like if we put collectively

2008
01:24:55,970 --> 01:24:54,000
billions of people over the years our

2009
01:24:58,610 --> 01:24:55,980
energy into these stories into these

2010
01:25:02,330 --> 01:24:58,620
accounts then it's real on some level

2011
01:25:04,550 --> 01:25:02,340
it's also useful I think to look at the

2012
01:25:07,130 --> 01:25:04,560
Historical accounts look at Josephus

2013
01:25:09,470 --> 01:25:07,140
look at a Pontius Pilate does that story

2014
01:25:10,970 --> 01:25:09,480
really make any sense do the New

2015
01:25:13,010 --> 01:25:10,980
Testament make any sense all the

2016
01:25:14,689 --> 01:25:13,020
contradictions all the rest of it all

2017
01:25:17,350 --> 01:25:14,699
that has to be examined here's the

2018
01:25:21,050 --> 01:25:17,360
points that that I guess I I kind of

2019
01:25:23,149 --> 01:25:21,060
really also kind of work with and help

2020
01:25:25,610 --> 01:25:23,159
it so do you think global warming is an

2021
01:25:29,270 --> 01:25:25,620
imminent threat to to Gaia to Mother

2022
01:25:31,490 --> 01:25:29,280
Earth no okay do you think

2023
01:25:33,950 --> 01:25:31,500
if someone in our culture I'm just

2024
01:25:35,630 --> 01:25:33,960
asking my opinions I'm being honest so

2025
01:25:37,970 --> 01:25:35,640
here's the point oh one more that's

2026
01:25:40,310 --> 01:25:37,980
important more and more relevant to our

2027
01:25:43,729 --> 01:25:40,320
thing if someone said

2028
01:25:46,370 --> 01:25:43,739
our culture is in a spiritual war

2029
01:25:49,970 --> 01:25:46,380
is that something you would relate to or

2030
01:25:55,070 --> 01:25:52,250
that there's always a spiritual war

2031
01:25:57,110 --> 01:25:55,080
going on on many levels there's a

2032
01:25:59,870 --> 01:25:57,120
spiritual work going on within each

2033
01:26:01,910 --> 01:25:59,880
individual every day with every choice

2034
01:26:03,770 --> 01:26:01,920
that we make you know multiple choices

2035
01:26:08,510 --> 01:26:03,780
we have to and it's not black and white

2036
01:26:10,370 --> 01:26:08,520
and I look at it as that it it is how we

2037
01:26:13,010 --> 01:26:10,380
grow and learn and our society

2038
01:26:14,570 --> 01:26:13,020
absolutely we're going through all sorts

2039
01:26:16,729 --> 01:26:14,580
of let's call them I just use a

2040
01:26:20,090 --> 01:26:16,739
different vocabulary you call it a war I

2041
01:26:21,350 --> 01:26:20,100
call it growing pains well who's on the

2042
01:26:23,149 --> 01:26:21,360
other side of that war that's that's

2043
01:26:26,510 --> 01:26:23,159
what really begs the question is is

2044
01:26:29,930 --> 01:26:26,520
there some kind of ignorance a dark

2045
01:26:31,669 --> 01:26:29,940
force a selfishness malevolence yeah you

2046
01:26:33,890 --> 01:26:31,679
know that's the battle between light and

2047
01:26:36,770 --> 01:26:33,900
dark it's it's the way the cosmic design

2048
01:26:39,290 --> 01:26:36,780
works and yeah we have the opportunity

2049
01:26:41,149 --> 01:26:39,300
to make choices every day and yes I'd

2050
01:26:45,470 --> 01:26:41,159
say there's a spiritual battle going on

2051
01:26:48,050 --> 01:26:45,480
but I interviewed pmh pmh at water and

2052
01:26:50,629 --> 01:26:48,060
we had a problem because she kind of

2053
01:26:52,070 --> 01:26:50,639
conflate some IQ numbers and I really

2054
01:26:53,990 --> 01:26:52,080
kind of called her on that but her

2055
01:26:55,550 --> 01:26:54,000
research is really important in some of

2056
01:26:57,890 --> 01:26:55,560
the things that she's doing and she's

2057
01:27:00,610 --> 01:26:57,900
looking at near-death experiences in

2058
01:27:03,530 --> 01:27:00,620
very young individuals yes and children

2059
01:27:05,870 --> 01:27:03,540
and she's in in this latest book that

2060
01:27:07,669 --> 01:27:05,880
she does it's even not even younger than

2061
01:27:09,350 --> 01:27:07,679
children she's going like under two

2062
01:27:11,149 --> 01:27:09,360
years old and she's saying all these

2063
01:27:12,830 --> 01:27:11,159
differences and stuff like that one of

2064
01:27:14,870 --> 01:27:12,840
the stories that she relates in there

2065
01:27:17,209 --> 01:27:14,880
not a story it's her account it's the

2066
01:27:19,790 --> 01:27:17,219
person that she talked to Born Into A

2067
01:27:22,970 --> 01:27:19,800
Satanic ritual abuse cult has multiple

2068
01:27:26,629 --> 01:27:22,980
multiple Auto Body slash near-death

2069
01:27:29,870 --> 01:27:26,639
experiences extremely traumatic in the

2070
01:27:32,510 --> 01:27:29,880
context of abuse yeah right she comes to

2071
01:27:37,729 --> 01:27:32,520
understand these are her words we read

2072
01:27:41,390 --> 01:27:37,739
it from pmh's book that her purpose was

2073
01:27:44,930 --> 01:27:41,400
to light the heart chakra of these

2074
01:27:47,030 --> 01:27:44,940
individuals in her family who had lost

2075
01:27:50,090 --> 01:27:47,040
their way so completely that they didn't

2076
01:27:52,129 --> 01:27:50,100
realize they were connected to God now

2077
01:27:55,910 --> 01:27:52,139
these are terms that you and I can

2078
01:27:58,070 --> 01:27:55,920
relate to and understand as being true

2079
01:28:00,410 --> 01:27:58,080
more or less I do but I don't hold on to

2080
01:28:02,030 --> 01:28:00,420
I hold on to them very Loosely because I

2081
01:28:05,390 --> 01:28:02,040
don't know for sure any of the rest of

2082
01:28:08,149 --> 01:28:05,400
that but this has a ring of this could

2083
01:28:10,729 --> 01:28:08,159
be true and the implications for it in

2084
01:28:13,310 --> 01:28:10,739
terms of that spiritual battle are

2085
01:28:15,910 --> 01:28:13,320
interesting I think the light is a

2086
01:28:19,129 --> 01:28:15,920
billion times stronger than the dark but

2087
01:28:22,370 --> 01:28:19,139
understanding that there is a push

2088
01:28:25,010 --> 01:28:22,380
towards that their souls being lost is

2089
01:28:27,649 --> 01:28:25,020
not an accident it's it's a choice that

2090
01:28:29,510 --> 01:28:27,659
people are making and those choices we

2091
01:28:31,550 --> 01:28:29,520
need to be careful with and need to

2092
01:28:33,770 --> 01:28:31,560
understand better and there's a whole

2093
01:28:37,550 --> 01:28:33,780
bunch of stuff that I'll toss your way

2094
01:28:39,410 --> 01:28:37,560
to try and process is there

2095
01:28:40,370 --> 01:28:39,420
I'm not sure what your question is and

2096
01:28:42,830 --> 01:28:40,380
all that

2097
01:28:45,050 --> 01:28:42,840
well I think you've been pretty quick

2098
01:28:48,110 --> 01:28:45,060
about answering the questions what is

2099
01:28:50,689 --> 01:28:48,120
the nature of this dwar are we to resist

2100
01:28:51,830 --> 01:28:50,699
it how do we resist it there's a million

2101
01:28:53,689 --> 01:28:51,840
questions sir

2102
01:28:54,950 --> 01:28:53,699
sorry we framed the question to me it's

2103
01:28:56,530 --> 01:28:54,960
about what are we to do with the

2104
01:28:59,990 --> 01:28:56,540
darkness why is there the darkness

2105
01:29:01,610 --> 01:29:00,000
exactly super interesting bit of all the

2106
01:29:04,490 --> 01:29:01,620
questions I couldn't even get all the

2107
01:29:07,850 --> 01:29:04,500
questions out on this question

2108
01:29:10,370 --> 01:29:07,860
I've already repeated it twice and I'm

2109
01:29:13,550 --> 01:29:10,380
going to repeat it a third time what is

2110
01:29:16,070 --> 01:29:13,560
that what is that hitting in you about

2111
01:29:18,290 --> 01:29:16,080
this Darkness back to the story of the

2112
01:29:19,970 --> 01:29:18,300
woman who's born into which is

2113
01:29:22,610 --> 01:29:19,980
interesting did she choose to be born

2114
01:29:26,030 --> 01:29:22,620
into her story is that later she

2115
01:29:29,470 --> 01:29:26,040
realizes that this was maybe what she

2116
01:29:32,030 --> 01:29:29,480
was supposed to do is be there to

2117
01:29:34,129 --> 01:29:32,040
ignite the heart chakra of these people

2118
01:29:35,990 --> 01:29:34,139
that had totally lost her way and she

2119
01:29:38,570 --> 01:29:36,000
has no more contact with her family and

2120
01:29:40,430 --> 01:29:38,580
she obviously thinks it's horrible the

2121
01:29:43,010 --> 01:29:40,440
the abuse that they've inflicted on her

2122
01:29:46,010 --> 01:29:43,020
and other people but it raises some very

2123
01:29:49,430 --> 01:29:46,020
big big questions about the extended

2124
01:29:51,890 --> 01:29:49,440
realm the role that we play who's in

2125
01:29:55,070 --> 01:29:51,900
charge what the goal is

2126
01:29:57,830 --> 01:29:55,080
yeah not all love and light well you

2127
01:30:00,169 --> 01:29:57,840
know that's a very complicated question

2128
01:30:02,629 --> 01:30:00,179
and I I don't even pretend to have all

2129
01:30:03,669 --> 01:30:02,639
the answers but what what I what I

2130
01:30:07,550 --> 01:30:03,679
understand

2131
01:30:10,310 --> 01:30:07,560
is that when we from based on my own

2132
01:30:11,450 --> 01:30:10,320
experiences and also spiritual reading

2133
01:30:14,270 --> 01:30:11,460
over the years

2134
01:30:16,250 --> 01:30:14,280
is that but mainly I'm going to say

2135
01:30:17,930 --> 01:30:16,260
based on my own personal experiences

2136
01:30:20,270 --> 01:30:17,940
particularly the last one when I was

2137
01:30:22,010 --> 01:30:20,280
dead and remembered all my past lives

2138
01:30:23,209 --> 01:30:22,020
and then was given the choice whether or

2139
01:30:25,270 --> 01:30:23,219
not to come back

2140
01:30:29,149 --> 01:30:25,280
was is that

2141
01:30:32,629 --> 01:30:29,159
we come back and incarnate for various

2142
01:30:34,310 --> 01:30:32,639
reasons and how I understand it is one

2143
01:30:36,770 --> 01:30:34,320
of the reasons we come back and I've

2144
01:30:39,169 --> 01:30:36,780
explained this quite I think earlier on

2145
01:30:42,350 --> 01:30:39,179
in in our interview today is we come

2146
01:30:44,930 --> 01:30:42,360
back to learn that our particular Souls

2147
01:30:47,930 --> 01:30:44,940
have particular lessons that we can

2148
01:30:50,510 --> 01:30:47,940
learn in this particular situation and

2149
01:30:53,750 --> 01:30:50,520
and that that massive intelligence Mega

2150
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computer which is the higher power has

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01:31:00,350 --> 01:30:56,880
the intellectual past present future

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01:31:02,270 --> 01:31:00,360
Consciousness capacity to determine hey

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01:31:04,729 --> 01:31:02,280
this this would be a good place for your

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01:31:06,229 --> 01:31:04,739
soul to Incarnate with these parents in

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01:31:08,629 --> 01:31:06,239
this time in history and then like a

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01:31:11,870 --> 01:31:08,639
magnet your soul is like drawn to that

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01:31:13,850 --> 01:31:11,880
place and you incarnate there I I think

2158
01:31:15,470 --> 01:31:13,860
that's what happens with the majority of

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01:31:18,050 --> 01:31:15,480
people but

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01:31:20,689 --> 01:31:18,060
I don't think it's that simple there may

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01:31:23,450 --> 01:31:20,699
be other reasons why people incarnate

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01:31:26,750 --> 01:31:23,460
and another you know because I'm I'm I

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01:31:27,770 --> 01:31:26,760
have learned enough to know how little I

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01:31:29,990 --> 01:31:27,780
know so

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01:31:32,629 --> 01:31:30,000
that there is much more that I do not

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01:31:35,209 --> 01:31:32,639
know uh and to always be open that I'm

2167
01:31:37,129 --> 01:31:35,219
only aware of a small portion of of

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01:31:38,390 --> 01:31:37,139
whatever it is that is the Ultimate

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01:31:40,310 --> 01:31:38,400
Reality

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01:31:43,430 --> 01:31:40,320
but another thing that I have learned

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01:31:44,270 --> 01:31:43,440
along the way is that and it happened to

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01:31:49,850 --> 01:31:44,280
me

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01:31:56,209 --> 01:31:49,860
to serve

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01:31:58,970 --> 01:31:56,219
let's take Jesus

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01:32:01,189 --> 01:31:58,980
that soul that was in Jesus

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01:32:04,129 --> 01:32:01,199
I think was a soul

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01:32:06,470 --> 01:32:04,139
you know extremely Advanced God realized

2178
01:32:09,470 --> 01:32:06,480
Soul probably and

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01:32:11,570 --> 01:32:09,480
he incarnated in the physical body of

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01:32:13,250 --> 01:32:11,580
Jesus in my opinion this is my opinion

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01:32:16,970 --> 01:32:13,260
you can disagree with me

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01:32:20,390 --> 01:32:16,980
in order to serve he was an avatar of

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01:32:23,149 --> 01:32:20,400
light and he was there to carry give a

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01:32:24,950 --> 01:32:23,159
strong spiritual message to a time that

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01:32:26,570 --> 01:32:24,960
was very dark that was very much in need

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01:32:28,310 --> 01:32:26,580
of the light the message of love and

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01:32:30,050 --> 01:32:28,320
forgiveness and love one another and we

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01:32:33,110 --> 01:32:30,060
are all God's children

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01:32:35,810 --> 01:32:33,120
so but other people can be sent back to

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01:32:38,510 --> 01:32:35,820
serve I'm not I'm not a Jesus it's I'm

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01:32:40,910 --> 01:32:38,520
just me but the choice that I was given

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01:32:43,189 --> 01:32:40,920
was to serve you know to serve in the

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01:32:47,390 --> 01:32:43,199
body of the baby or to serve in the

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01:32:50,270 --> 01:32:47,400
injured body and before I died that had

2195
01:32:53,149 --> 01:32:50,280
become very much a part of what made

2196
01:32:55,129 --> 01:32:53,159
life meaningful to me my my sort of

2197
01:32:57,410 --> 01:32:55,139
Mantra or prayer was the Prayer of Saint

2198
01:32:59,209 --> 01:32:57,420
Francis Make Me a Channel of Your Peace

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01:33:01,669 --> 01:32:59,219
Make Me a Channel of Your Love I wanted

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01:33:03,770 --> 01:33:01,679
to be an instrument of the Divine to

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01:33:06,470 --> 01:33:03,780
help others on the planet that that is

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01:33:08,750 --> 01:33:06,480
how my near-death experiences and

2203
01:33:10,550 --> 01:33:08,760
mystical experiences changed me they

2204
01:33:12,410 --> 01:33:10,560
changed me from a person

2205
01:33:14,689 --> 01:33:12,420
all right that's my alarm for my next

2206
01:33:18,229 --> 01:33:14,699
meeting they changed me from a person

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01:33:22,550 --> 01:33:18,239
who was doing things for me

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01:33:24,470 --> 01:33:22,560
to a person who wanted to help others

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01:33:26,390 --> 01:33:24,480
that perceived myself as part of the

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01:33:29,330 --> 01:33:26,400
global Community wanted to help others

2211
01:33:31,550 --> 01:33:29,340
and so serving others was very important

2212
01:33:35,930 --> 01:33:31,560
to my it to me

2213
01:33:36,890 --> 01:33:35,940
and clearly my coming back has been to

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01:33:40,490 --> 01:33:36,900
serve

2215
01:33:42,050 --> 01:33:40,500
you know that that my healing has not

2216
01:33:45,590 --> 01:33:42,060
been for me to go up and take big

2217
01:33:48,770 --> 01:33:45,600
holidays it's to serve uh you know

2218
01:33:51,410 --> 01:33:48,780
writing books till three in the morning

2219
01:33:52,970 --> 01:33:51,420
so that to help other people that's the

2220
01:33:54,470 --> 01:33:52,980
only reason I write the books I mean I'm

2221
01:33:55,790 --> 01:33:54,480
not making money on these books if

2222
01:33:57,070 --> 01:33:55,800
you've ever written books you know you

2223
01:33:59,570 --> 01:33:57,080
don't make money

2224
01:34:02,750 --> 01:33:59,580
and I put a lot of effort out into

2225
01:34:05,629 --> 01:34:02,760
letting people know that we are

2226
01:34:08,450 --> 01:34:05,639
spiritual experiences are real

2227
01:34:10,250 --> 01:34:08,460
they're not just a sign of mental

2228
01:34:11,689 --> 01:34:10,260
illness as they historically have been

2229
01:34:14,629 --> 01:34:11,699
labeled you know over the last few

2230
01:34:16,610 --> 01:34:14,639
hundred years they're also not all work

2231
01:34:18,350 --> 01:34:16,620
of the devil that that some Churches

2232
01:34:20,209 --> 01:34:18,360
might want to put all of spiritual and

2233
01:34:22,610 --> 01:34:20,219
psychic experiences work of the devil

2234
01:34:24,830 --> 01:34:22,620
but there are very real phenomenon that

2235
01:34:27,050 --> 01:34:24,840
are happening to people today they can

2236
01:34:29,450 --> 01:34:27,060
have very challenging After Effects

2237
01:34:32,209 --> 01:34:29,460
that's a whole other discussion but they

2238
01:34:35,030 --> 01:34:32,219
also have very positive After Effects

2239
01:34:37,430 --> 01:34:35,040
and and that's what I want to sort of

2240
01:34:41,689 --> 01:34:37,440
wrap up with is that

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01:34:44,030 --> 01:34:41,699
however we interpret them that that most

2242
01:34:46,550 --> 01:34:44,040
people who've had

2243
01:34:48,050 --> 01:34:46,560
near-death experiences and certainly I

2244
01:34:50,750 --> 01:34:48,060
would say all who've had mystical

2245
01:34:52,610 --> 01:34:50,760
near-death experiences and others who've

2246
01:34:55,129 --> 01:34:52,620
had genuine who've had other types of

2247
01:34:57,709 --> 01:34:55,139
mystical experiences there's there's

2248
01:34:59,990 --> 01:34:57,719
like this common theme however we

2249
01:35:02,450 --> 01:35:00,000
understand it however we interpret it

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01:35:05,290 --> 01:35:02,460
there appears to be this loving

2251
01:35:09,169 --> 01:35:05,300
intelligent force behind the universe

2252
01:35:11,810 --> 01:35:09,179
and the awareness of that puts a smile

2253
01:35:14,270 --> 01:35:11,820
on my face the smile on my heart

2254
01:35:16,310 --> 01:35:14,280
that you know we're not alone in this

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01:35:18,649 --> 01:35:16,320
battle that there is this loving Force

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01:35:22,910 --> 01:35:18,659
and and I'm going to end with my last

2257
01:35:25,430 --> 01:35:22,920
message which was miracles do happen and

2258
01:35:27,350 --> 01:35:25,440
and that that no matter how you know

2259
01:35:29,510 --> 01:35:27,360
sometimes I look at what's happening on

2260
01:35:31,430 --> 01:35:29,520
the planet and just like oh Lord how are

2261
01:35:34,729 --> 01:35:31,440
we ever going to get through this but

2262
01:35:37,550 --> 01:35:34,739
hey I have to trust that somehow with

2263
01:35:40,250 --> 01:35:37,560
enough people doing their little part on

2264
01:35:41,570 --> 01:35:40,260
the planet that as a collective that

2265
01:35:43,970 --> 01:35:41,580
we're gonna we're gonna come through

2266
01:35:45,169 --> 01:35:43,980
there always is hope for a brighter

2267
01:35:48,290 --> 01:35:45,179
tomorrow

2268
01:35:50,209 --> 01:35:48,300
again our guess has been Dr Ivan case on

2269
01:35:53,390 --> 01:35:50,219
her books that you want to check out

2270
01:35:56,990 --> 01:35:53,400
Soul lessons from the light and Touched

2271
01:36:01,189 --> 01:35:57,000
By the Light Yvonne greats having given

2272
01:36:05,689 --> 01:36:01,199
on you withstood a lot of pushback which

2273
01:36:07,910 --> 01:36:05,699
I love it helps it was take care it was

2274
01:36:10,370 --> 01:36:07,920
great talking with you Alex okay take

2275
01:36:12,229 --> 01:36:10,380
care bye now thanks again to Dr Von

2276
01:36:14,209 --> 01:36:12,239
Cason for joining me today on skeptico

2277
01:36:15,950 --> 01:36:14,219
the one question I'd have from this

2278
01:36:18,169 --> 01:36:15,960
interview and I keep asking a bunch of

2279
01:36:21,850 --> 01:36:18,179
different ways but I'll ask it in yet

2280
01:36:25,729 --> 01:36:21,860
another way how do we push forward with

2281
01:36:27,709 --> 01:36:25,739
research with science if you will in

2282
01:36:29,629 --> 01:36:27,719
this area you know what I thought was

2283
01:36:31,629 --> 01:36:29,639
really interesting is the clip I played

2284
01:36:33,950 --> 01:36:31,639
at the beginning from the movie contact

2285
01:36:37,330 --> 01:36:33,960
is about

2286
01:36:39,770 --> 01:36:37,340
ET contact and yet it's really about

2287
01:36:41,390 --> 01:36:39,780
transformative experiences I would even

2288
01:36:44,330 --> 01:36:41,400
go as far as to say spiritually

2289
01:36:46,370 --> 01:36:44,340
transformative experiences so

2290
01:36:50,270 --> 01:36:46,380
kind of interesting that

2291
01:36:52,310 --> 01:36:50,280
way back in 1997 they were already

2292
01:36:54,649 --> 01:36:52,320
seeing the connections that Ivan has

2293
01:36:56,450 --> 01:36:54,659
lived through and documented with her

2294
01:36:57,709 --> 01:36:56,460
many great books

2295
01:36:59,870 --> 01:36:57,719
well that's going to do it for this

2296
01:37:02,270 --> 01:36:59,880
episode of skeptico thank you so much

2297
01:37:04,610 --> 01:37:02,280
for joining me do contact me if you'd

2298
01:37:06,830 --> 01:37:04,620
like to help out with the show if you

2299
01:37:09,229 --> 01:37:06,840
have a guest that you are just dying to

2300
01:37:11,750 --> 01:37:09,239
bring on the show let me know when we

2301
01:37:13,790 --> 01:37:11,760
can probably work that out until next

2302
01:37:16,620 --> 01:37:13,800
time take care